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War Of The Pyramid Theorists
Jerusalem Post ^ | 4-1-2007 | Yaniv Salama-Scheer - Jorg Luyken

Posted on 04/02/2007 4:37:58 PM PDT by blam

Apr. 1, 2007 12:21 | Updated Apr. 1, 2007 14:53

War of the pyramid theorists

By YANIV SALAMA-SCHEER AND JORG LUYKEN

Every significant historical site goes through periods of the day when the surrounding environment make a visit truly worthwhile. At the pyramids of Giza, the view at sunset can push away the claustrophobic memory of the flocks of tourists and local souvenir-sellers who dominate the site earlier in the day. In the hush of sunset, visitors can appreciate the beautiful symmetry of these ancient tombs as the half-light of dusk eradicates the imperfections of age that are evident during the day.

The mathematical perfection of these monuments has puzzled archeologists for centuries. How could the civilization that existed when the pyramids were built 4,700 years ago have created this colossal necropolis?

The answer has long been mired in confusion. So much mystery surrounds the pyramids that some have suggested that supernatural, divine or even extraterrestrial forces must have been responsible for their construction. The Bible, of course, asserts that ancient Israelite slaves performed much of the backbreaking labor in ancient Egypt, but in the modern Arab republic, this claim is widely disputed.

In the year 2007, many prominent Egyptologists in Cairo refute the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves at all. The list of scholars who align themselves with this train of thought is headed by Egypt's Chairman of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, Dr. Zahi Hawass. In 2002, a team led by Hawass explored unopened chambers inside the pyramids using new technology, and at the end of the process a triumphant Hawass told the world press that his findings, particularly the skeleton of a fourth-century Egyptian, showed that the pyramids were "not built by slaves," but rather by the "great Egyptians."

Following the exploration, which was broadcast worldwide by National Geographic, Dr. Hawass held an interview with the Arab daily El Gomhoreya, in which he said his findings "refute the allegations reiterated by Jews and some Western countries that the Jews built the pyramids."

Speaking with The Jerusalem Post at the Egypt Museum in Cairo, Dr. Nawab Shoeab, a prominent Egyptologist, argues that claims that the Israelites were coerced into building the pyramids are not held up by historical research. She points out that the Israelites were enslaved in Egypt during the 19th Dynasty, under the reign of Ramses II, around 1300 BCE. The pyramids, she notes, were built some 1,400 years earlier, during the Fourth Dynasty. This is clearly too large a space in time for claims of Israelite involvement to be plausible, she says.

The Old Kingdom which consists of the Third to Sixth Dynasties was a period in which many of Egypt's pyramids were built. The first were built at Sakkara in the step pyramid fashion by the high priest Imhotep. The next to be built were at Dahshur which are the two pyramids of Honi. The last of the Third Dynasty creations are the three pyramids at En Medum. By the Fourth Dynasty, there was a desire for a perfect creation, which became the Great Pyramid of Khufu, and then the pyramids of Khefren and Menkaure on its flanks.

The chronology doesn't seem to add up to place the Jews at the feet of these pyramids. But some, including Hawass, have taken the debate far beyond science, into a politicized modern realm deeply influenced by tensions between Egypt and Israel. Hawass and Egypt's Minister of Culture, Farouk Hosny, launched a campaign in 2002 to secure Giza's legacy for Egypt. Their campaign to "strike back" on those with different views on the subject was reported by Egyptian-born, London-based writer Ahmed Osman, who quoted Hosny in an interview with the Associated Foreign Press as vowing to "wage a war to protect the Pyramids... from an organized campaign by Israel."

In the AFP interview, the pair were quoted as saying, "Israeli allegations that they built the Pyramids abound, and we must face up to this even if it triggers a crisis with Israel! This is piracy! Our history and our civilization must be respected but the Israelis want to take over everything! We must counterattack with full strength because this is how they took Palestine. They think Palestine belongs to them and now they are doing on saying the same with the Pyramids."

Baruch Brandel, the director of the Israel Antiquities Authority library, dismisses these claims. "The legend that the sons of Israel built the pyramids is not taken seriously by Israeli archeologists. No Israeli archeological handbook even makes the claim," he says. "The Torah only mentions that the Israelites built Pithom and Ramses during the New Kingdom period."

GIVEN THE controversy, why do some argue that one of the great wonders of the world was built by Jews? If one man truly deserves credit for advancing the claim, it is Charles Piazzi Smyth, the Astronomer Royal of Scotland during the 1860s. Among Smyth's works is Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid, a book claiming that the complex at Giza was built by Jewish slaves who labored not under Pharaoh's chief architect, but under the direction of divine inspiration. Now, 150 years later, serious academics do not pay much credence to this theory. But when it was first published, it was highly popular among Evangelical Christians and Jews, such as the British Israelites, who were sprouting up throughout the British Empire in the 19th century.

Evidence about who built the pyramids lies scattered around Europe, thanks to the continental empires that for centuries plundered and dispersed ancient Egyptian treasures. Working with tools ranging from the Palermo Stone, a tablet taken from the Valley of the Kings outlining the chronology of the ancient kings, to the writings of the Greek historian Herodotus, some Egyptologists now argue that ancient Egypt's rural population was the group that actually built the pyramids - and that it did so not in bondage, but as a more complicated form of tribute to the pharaoh.

According to Shoeab, those who contributed to the production of the pyramids were not slaves at all, but displaced persons who came to Giza during the Nile's annual flood season. Shoeab believes that the historical records found along the banks of the Nile provide the most credible theory, which says that the pharaohs provided food, shelter and sanitation in exchange for the seasonal river dwellers' work on the pyramids. The seasonal nature of the work may help to explain why the Great Pyramid of Khufu took 20 years to build.

Shoeab claims it was actually considered a great honor to work on the pyramids, which would have been one of the first great building projects to foster a sense of national identity. One should also remember that these were tombs built for gods, she says, and that in this context the pain of the task might have been understood in a similar light as the self-discipline and deprivations of Christian monastic life.

While the pyramids were looted to build Cairo's Muhammad Ali Mosque, which was commissioned by Saladin following the Crusades, people from all over the word flock to Giza on a daily basis to see the pyramids. Even though foreigners tend to picture their arrival at the pyramids after crossing the Egyptian desert on horseback, visitors to the Giza site have to make peace with the fact that great pyramids actually sit on the outskirts of one of the most populated and polluted cities on earth, only a few hundred yards from the edge of Cairo. The pyramids certainly ignite the imagination, but Shoeab insists that the "reality" of Giza must be preserved. "There are some realities that Israelis and Egyptians must accept between themselves. Israel must accept that Egyptians and not Jews built the pyramids, and Egyptians must accept that the Israeli army smashed our army in 1967. We just have to accept reality."


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KEYWORDS: ahmedosman; biblicalarchaeology; egypt; exodus; geopolymer; geopolymerization; geopolymers; giza; godsgravesglyphs; greatpyramid; josephdavidovits; pyramid; theexodus; theorists; war
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1 posted on 04/02/2007 4:38:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.


2 posted on 04/02/2007 4:39:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders

Book Description

Is it a mere coincidence that pyramids are found across our globe? Did cultures ranging across vast spaces in geography and time, such as the ancient Egyptians; early Buddhists; the Maya, Inca, Toltec, and Aztec civilizations of the Americas; the Celts of the British Isles; and even the Mississippi Indians of pre-Columbian Illinois, simply dream the same dreams and envision the same structures?

Scientist and tenured university professor Robert M. Schoch-one of the world's preeminent geologists in recasting the date of the Great Sphinx-believes otherwise. In this dramatic and meticulously reasoned book, Schoch, like anthropologist Thor Heyerdahl in his classic Kon-Tiki, argues that ancient cultures traveled great distances by sea. Indeed, he believes that primeval sailors traveled from the Eastern continent, primarily Southeast Asia, and spread the idea of pyramids across the Earth, involving the human species in a far greater degree of contact and exchange than experts have previously thought possible.

Voyages of the Pyramid Builders features sixteen pages of color photos and a special appendix, "Redating the Great Sphinx of Giza," in which Schoch provides his most up-to-date evidence of the Sphinx's older origins.

3 posted on 04/02/2007 4:42:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I had never heard the claim that the Jews built the pyramids. Is this just some mid-east notion passed along?


4 posted on 04/02/2007 4:53:55 PM PDT by Socratic (To persevere is to laugh again.)
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To: blam

The Bible doesn’t say the Israelites built the pyramids - it says “And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.” Ex 1:11. “Pyramid” doesn’t appear in the Bible.


5 posted on 04/02/2007 5:05:44 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Berosus
cc: berosus :')
The list of scholars who align themselves with this train of thought is headed by Egypt's Chairman of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, Dr. Zahi Hawass. In 2002, a team led by Hawass explored unopened chambers inside the pyramids using new technology, and at the end of the process a triumphant Hawass told the world press that his findings, particularly the skeleton of a fourth-century Egyptian, showed that the pyramids were "not built by slaves," but rather by the "great Egyptians."
If Hawass sez it, it must be true -- just like he said that the Great Pyramid has a mere million stones, and that they are on average a mere 500 pounds each. Of course there were slaves in ancient Egypt. The feel-good cheerful noble peasant model is a modern load of dung.

The Israelites weren't in Egypt during the 19th Dynasty -- regardless of the chronology employed, the first known reference to "Israel" in Egyptian records dates from the 19th century and refers to a military campaign outside of Egypt.

The Israelites in Egyptian bondage built with mud brick, and that (and other stuff) points to the monuments of the 12th and 13th Dynasties, i.o.w., the Middle Kingdom.

Blam, I'll ping when I get home. (':
6 posted on 04/02/2007 5:19:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Oh, yow. Ahmed Osman — the buffoon claims that the ancient Egyptians created ballet (not makin’ this up), also claims various Biblical Kings of Israel were really Egyptian pharaohs, even to the point of screwing up the Biblical chronology such that it’s a loop.


7 posted on 04/02/2007 5:22:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Squidpup

Yeah, this is just another provocation by the anti-historical Arab propagandists.


8 posted on 04/02/2007 5:22:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

At this time I believe the Israelites built the Pyramid and furthermore the Pharoah was Jewish.


9 posted on 04/02/2007 5:24:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: blam

BTTT


10 posted on 04/02/2007 5:27:00 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: RightWhale

Yep, Pharoah Goldberg.


11 posted on 04/02/2007 5:27:38 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Socratic
nary a mention:
Josephus identifies the Israelite Exodus with the first exodus mentioned by Manetho, when some 480,000 Hyksos “shepherds” left Egypt for Jerusalem.[3] The mention of “Hyksos” identifies this first exodus with the Hyksos period (16th century BCE). If Manetho mentioned “Jerusalem”, it may correspond with the Biblical account when Israelites under Joshua defeated the army of Jerusalem’s city-king (Joshua 10:23). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

and:

“The prime result of this investigation was the distinct possibility that the Great Pyramid of Giza is mentioned many times within the biblical texts, it is just that its name has been changed to Mt Sinai.
You can take or reject this scenario as you wish, but the bottom line is that from Abraham to Joseph (who was the second most powerful man in Egypt after the pharaoh), the links between biblical history and Egypt are very strong indeed. It was from those links that the importance of the number 40 slipped into biblical history.”
http://www.world-mysteries.com/gw_rellis5.htm

12 posted on 04/02/2007 5:50:55 PM PDT by GoforBroke
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To: Socratic
I had never heard the claim that the Jews built the pyramids. Is this just some mid-east notion passed along?

First time I heard it.

13 posted on 04/02/2007 5:53:46 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: RightWhale
"At this time I believe the Israelites built the Pyramid and furthermore the Pharoah was Jewish."

A statue of Pharaoh Menkaure and his consort, Khamerernebti II, dating from the 4th Dynasty (2575 - 2467 BC).

(This guy looks like an old picture I have of my dad...without the head-gear, of course...he was haplotype R1b)

14 posted on 04/02/2007 5:53:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: Squidpup

However, Isaiah 19: 19 -20 has this astonishing passage:

“19 ¶ In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt

http://www.bartleby.com/108/23/19.html


15 posted on 04/02/2007 6:00:24 PM PDT by GoforBroke
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To: blam

This is the only place I have ever heard that The Hebrews might have built the pyramids. They were building stuff in Exodus but there is no hint that it was pyramidal. I think we have here a hastily erected Jewish Straw Man.


16 posted on 04/02/2007 6:05:16 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: RightWhale

I’ve always found it very interesting (despite the vague timelines) that we have a tradition that Moses was part of the royal family. When one couples that with a sudden mass emigration by Jews at or around the time of Akhenaten, the Pharoh who tried to turn Egypt monotheistic, it leads to a myriad of interesting theories.


17 posted on 04/02/2007 6:09:33 PM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Androcles

There was no “sudden mass emigration by Jews at or around the time of Akhenaten”.


18 posted on 04/02/2007 10:59:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; Brujo; ...
While weeding the GGG list on the weekend, I came across this quote on Former Dodger's profile. It's apropos.
Theodore Dalrymple, in a recent interview:
"Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."
one of those topics. :')
 
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19 posted on 04/02/2007 11:04:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
I came across this quote on Former Dodger's profile. It's apropos.
Theodore Dalrymple, in a recent interview:
"Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

20 posted on 04/02/2007 11:17:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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