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High court says NY can deny licenses to illegal immigrants
AP via timesunion.com ^ | June 7, 2007 | Michael Gormley

Posted on 06/07/2007 10:47:26 AM PDT by jmyrlefuller

New York has the right to deny driver's licenses to immigrants who can't prove they are in the country legally, the state's highest court ruled Thursday.

A lawsuit brought by immigrants and their advocates claimed a state Department of Motor Vehicles policy created by the Pataki administration "is essentially an effort to deny driver's licenses to immigrants not legally present in New York," the Court of Appeals decision stated.

"To state the obvious, undocumented aliens lack documents," wrote Judge Robert Smith in the 5-2 decision, "And the DMV's right to insist on such documents is undisputed."

At issue was a rule issued Sept. 6, 2001, just five days before terrorists attacked the World Trade Center, requiring driver's license applicants to provide federal immigration documents to prove they were in the country legally. Some of the Sept. 11 hijackers had obtained driver's licenses.

The state has long required applicants who don't have Social Security numbers to submit a Social Security Administration letter stating the person wasn't eligible to work in the U.S. so wasn't issued a Social Security number, but was present in the country legally. The 2001 rule made immigrants provide more proof.

The lawsuit was launched after the state started cracking down in 2004, an effort that was expected to result in the loss of driver's licenses for 300,000 illegal immigrants.

In 2005, a state Supreme Court judge in Manhattan sided with the immigrants and ordered the state to stop seizing the driver's licenses of immigrants without Social Security cards, arguing in part that the DMV couldn't enforce immigration law.

But in July 2006, the appellate division overturned that ruling and allowed the state to require that immigrants prove they are in the United States legally to get a driver's license. The Pataki administration defended the rules, saying they were put in place to combat fraud and terrorism.

The issue may not be over. As a candidate in 2006, Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer said he would change the rule because it doesn't improve security and instead keeps immigrants from rising from "the shadows" and creates a class of people with no public records.

There was no immediate comment from the immigrants' lawyer or the DMV.

About a dozen states deny driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 06/07/2007 10:47:28 AM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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"To state the obvious, undocumented aliens lack documents," wrote Judge Robert Smith...

LOL! Skewered them with their own words!

2 posted on 06/07/2007 10:50:04 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: jmyrlefuller

Weeeell.......Isn’t this special?


3 posted on 06/07/2007 10:50:29 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: jmyrlefuller
"To state the obvious, undocumented aliens lack documents," wrote Judge Robert Smith in the 5-2 decision, "And the DMV's right to insist on such documents is undisputed."

This judge will be out by Monday morning if the LIBRATactivists have their way?

4 posted on 06/07/2007 10:51:32 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: jmyrlefuller

This is a step in the right direction.


5 posted on 06/07/2007 10:52:46 AM PDT by Palladin (NO Shamnesty!!!)
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To: jmyrlefuller

A giant duh! suffices


6 posted on 06/07/2007 10:54:06 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: jmyrlefuller
and creates a class of people with no public records.

What an idiot! No one "created" a class of people, there are no public records because they are ILLEGAL. The only public records there should be are arrest and deportation orders, with confirmation.

7 posted on 06/07/2007 10:54:23 AM PDT by Prokopton
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8 posted on 06/07/2007 10:54:41 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: jmyrlefuller

Is this New York, America we’re talking about here?


9 posted on 06/07/2007 10:55:06 AM PDT by mtg
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I have to pinch myself everytime I read the breath-taking arrogance in pieces such as this. Illegal aliens, who broke the law and do not belong in this country get a suit filed on their behalves to reverse a law that says they cannot get a driver’s license.
What the hell is wrong with this 3 ringed circus...........


10 posted on 06/07/2007 10:55:42 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: jmyrlefuller
Eliot Spitzer said he would change the rule because it doesn't improve security and instead keeps immigrants from rising from "the shadows" and creates a class of people with no public records.

Amazing, damn near fell out of my chair.

11 posted on 06/07/2007 10:56:01 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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‘Rising from the shadows?’ They don’t seem to have any trouble staging public rallies.


12 posted on 06/07/2007 10:58:48 AM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: jmyrlefuller
Am I the only one who sees the problem here?
By today's standards, the Constitutional definition of citizen and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is vague.
As are the "rights" of citizenship. When the Constitution was first written, there was no question as to what the words meant.
Today many would argue that the US Constitution was written to apply to anybody in the world. An absurd assertion, in my estimation, but popular nonetheless, even with some courts, judging by recent decisions, and some historical Supreme Court opinions.

It shouldn't require a Constitutional amendment to clarify those mischievious definitions. Neither the rights nor the obligations of legal American jurisdiction applies to illegal aliens and any children of illegal aliens regardless of length of time "getting away with it". OK, maybe some reasonable number of generations to account for the unsettled period (no pun intended) between the creation of the original 13 states and the admission of the last contiguous continental state admitted to the union.

That would certainly make dealing with the current problem a whole lot easier and briefer.

13 posted on 06/07/2007 11:25:31 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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"is essentially an effort to deny driver's licenses to immigrants not legally present in New York,"

Gee, do ya think... What a moron!

14 posted on 06/07/2007 11:41:12 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Palladin
This is a step in the right direction.

Yes, it is. Rudy would no doubt be very unhappy if he were still mayor.

15 posted on 06/07/2007 11:49:16 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: jmyrlefuller

Rudy must be crying in his sleep.


16 posted on 06/07/2007 12:11:53 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: jmyrlefuller

If Spitzer does indeed lower the standards to once again allow illegals without the proper docmentation of who they are to get official IDs, then it would be fair if they reap what they sew.


17 posted on 06/07/2007 12:11:55 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: jmyrlefuller

B-b-but this is New York! It’s supposed to be liberal, etc. This is the same NY high court that upheld the state’s ban on gay marriage.


18 posted on 06/07/2007 12:17:40 PM PDT by Princip. Conservative
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In 2005, a state Supreme Court judge in Manhattan sided with the immigrants

Important note: Just to make sure that people are always confused, New York calls its lower courts their "Supreme Courts". Every other state calls their highest appellate level court their "Supreme Court". FYI

19 posted on 06/07/2007 12:22:00 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Princip. Conservative

Probably the result of 12 years of Pataki appointments.

I know Pataki has a liberal reputation, but he’s not nearly as liberal as some may think. I never thought the guy was perfect (e.g. his health care plan and his penchant for patronage), but he was no left-winger by any stretch.


20 posted on 06/07/2007 12:29:48 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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