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Baucus vows spirited fight against drugs
Billings Gazette ^ | July 7, 2007 | Becky Shay

Posted on 07/07/2007 10:22:52 PM PDT by Montana Headlines

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., told law enforcement officials Friday in Billings that he will continue to use "mongooselike tenacity" to secure funding for drug enforcement in Montana.

Baucus, who was honored at a luncheon attended by about 30 area drug enforcement officers and agents, said he heard their message that they need more personnel and continued full federal funding.

The tenacity, Baucus said, requires him to keep after leaders of various federal agencies and "just grab ahold of 'em until they say, 'Hey, let's do it and get this guy off our back.' "

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: baucus; dea; montana; senate; senatorleroy; wod; wodlist
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To: PreciousLiberty
“The fight against drugs is a relatively new one. Fire Departments weren’t so effective during their first few decades, either. Right now we’re still in the “bucket brigade” phase of fighting drugs.”

Wow what a horrible analogy.

It's a great analogy for the drug warrior. I'm sure someday they'll want to put cameras and smoke detectors in every house "for the children", not unlike the requirement for smoke detectors and sprinklers for fire protection.

"Only in a police state is the job of a policeman easy." --Orson Welles

21 posted on 07/08/2007 11:00:38 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: PreciousLiberty
"There is no equivalence between drugs and fire."

Sure there is. You choose to play with either, and you're gonna get burned.

"No one wants a fire in their home."

I'm sure a user high on Meth would love to see a nice big fire.

"Drug users do so out of choice. It’s called “freedom”, and it means people should have the right to whatever they like as long as it doesn’t directly affect anyone else - whether other folks like it or not."

It's a great argument, but with a gigantic flaw. Unless you're living on a desert island all by yourself with no friends or family to give a hang about you, that won't work. It ALWAYS ends up harming, hurting, or killing the people around you. Just ask my former classmate and his wife. Oh, wait, you can't. They're dead. Great recipe for irresponsibility and total anarchy.

22 posted on 07/08/2007 11:07:22 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: PreciousLiberty

We have got to get the POT off the RANCHES right away, even if means we must all become slaves! It’s for the children!


23 posted on 07/08/2007 11:10:32 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Montana Headlines

Al Gore III vows spirited fight against drugs; drugs look forward to winning.


24 posted on 07/08/2007 11:11:49 AM PDT by RichInOC (Al Gore, Jr. and III: Proof positive that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

The analogy was used to explain processes and technology used to combat fire and drugs. It was not intended to explain or make clear the reasons for those two disparate things (fire and drugs) existing or their impact on individuals or society.


25 posted on 07/08/2007 11:18:45 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No one ever overdosed on marijuana and died from it. Stentorian bolded shouting is no substitute for the facts. I’ve noticed that many people tend to raise their voices when they begin to realize they are wrong. In your case, I think it’s more like puffing up to make the other geckos think you and your argument is bigger than theirs. Doesn’t work.


26 posted on 07/08/2007 11:21:48 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
This seems to be a chronic problem around here. So I'll explain again:

When shouting, people use CAPS.

When I respond to another person's posts when I'm quoting them, such as this:

"No one ever overdosed on marijuana and died from it."

I respond like this to distinguish my comments so when I'm looking at my pings, I can see which are my posts and which are others. They are no indication of emotion whatsoever, unless, again, I employ CAPS. Now carry on. :-)

27 posted on 07/08/2007 11:28:35 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Montana Headlines

I’m sure all Libertarians will back law enforcement against recreational drugs.


28 posted on 07/08/2007 11:31:02 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Oh, please accept my apology. 
This is not a shout.

29 posted on 07/08/2007 11:43:38 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse

CAPS and supersized fonts. Don’t be an arse.


30 posted on 07/08/2007 11:53:32 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: traviskicks

I wonder, in the course of Baucus’ daily work life, whether it ever occurs to him to check the Constitution to confirm that he has the authority to do what he proposes?


31 posted on 07/08/2007 12:09:25 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: rfp1234

LOL! You get the Montana Headlines “Max Baucus prize” for the week.


32 posted on 07/08/2007 1:12:37 PM PDT by Montana Headlines
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To: traviskicks

Thanks for pinging this one along.


33 posted on 07/08/2007 1:14:04 PM PDT by Montana Headlines
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To: RichInOC
Al Gore III's doesn't count. He was saving the world by driving a Prius, so he should get a bye. I mean really, did they arrest Superman for going over the speed limit when he was saving the world? And that kryptonite stuff -- pretty much had the effect of meth on the poor Superhero.
34 posted on 07/08/2007 1:16:48 PM PDT by Montana Headlines
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To: Montana Headlines

Watch out druggies.......MONGOOSE LIKE TENACITY!!!!


35 posted on 07/08/2007 2:25:58 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: durasell
The fight against drugs is a relatively new one. Fire Departments weren't so effective during their first few decades, either. Right now we're still in the "bucket brigade" phase of fighting drugs.

The market for illegal drugs is in the $100's of billions. The drug gangs have lots of money and incentive to counter the efforts of the federal government.

I don't think arsonists have the organization or incentive to counter fire fighting technology.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio:

"I don't know how to stop the drug traffic, and I've been in it for 38 years," the sheriff, widely touted as the toughest cop in the nation, told Harper's in 2001. "I think if I knew, I'd be the president. I can give you what's been said 50 years ago. ... It's the same thing we're saying today – tough law enforcement, prevention, rehabilitation ... Nothing's changed.

The stuff coming across the border that we catch? Ten percent. Fifty years ago, 10 percent. Today, 10 percent. Nothing's changed ... I don't know how to solve the problem. Don't ask me."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1156176/posts

36 posted on 07/08/2007 10:00:14 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

First of all — let’s eliminate the analogy. But note, all fires don’t depend on an arsonist to start. However, all fires are ruthless and generally seen as a bad thing.

Secondly, Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a colorful character and highly quotable as well as the sweetheart of those who like tough punishment for criminals, but he’s far, far removed from the cutting edge.

Thirdly — the technology to fight and prosecute drugs cases is getting better. Also, scientists are making huge advances in drugs that halt addiction.


37 posted on 07/08/2007 10:39:59 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
It ALWAYS ends up harming, hurting, or killing the people around you. Just ask my former classmate and his wife. Oh, wait, you can't. They're dead. Great recipe for irresponsibility and total anarchy.

Your flawed reasoning leaves such a hole that one could drive the planet Jupiter through it. Basically, you argue that the WOD saves lives, then you use your deceased friends as the example as to why the WOD is necessary. Of course, it should be obvious to you that the WOD doesn't save lives, as the WOD was in effect when your friends used drugs and the WOD neither stopped them or saved them. Sadly, you are not alone, as this is what passes for "logic" by drug warriors such as yourself.

As to your comment that drug use is always harmful some way, some how, this just isn't true either. While it can't be denied that some percentage of users do suffer adverse consequences of various sorts, the truth is that for most users, their usage is pretty much benign in their lives. In general, the the most likely adverse effect the average drug user faces is getting pinched by the law, the tragic demise of your friends notwithstanding.

38 posted on 07/09/2007 9:23:54 AM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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To: durasell
Right now we’re still in the “bucket brigade” phase of fighting drugs.

Yes. When we get 24 hour monitoring of America's homes and the implants, then we'll get this drug thing solved.

39 posted on 07/09/2007 9:29:57 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: Unknown Pundit

No flawed reasoning, just cold, hard facts. The tack the libertines take that somehow doing illegal and harmful substances doesn’t HURT anyone or is some Constitutional right is beyond ignorant, it’s anarchic. I will fight like hell against ever seeing these substances legalized.


40 posted on 07/09/2007 12:34:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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