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To: GodGunsGuts
Your link to an article from the Institute for Creation Research, commenting on a science article in Astrobiology, makes it seem that the ICR is doing science.

Lets look at what type of "science" they are doing. Here, from their webpage, is what they believe:

Tenets of Scientific Creationism


If they want to believe this way, fine. But they shouldn't try to call it science--that would be a lie.

It's pure apologetics.

6 posted on 07/09/2007 3:20:09 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; editor-surveyor; betty boop; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; Alamo-Girl; AndyTheBear; ...
Richard Dawkins, one of your high priests from the Church of Darwin, disagrees with you:

“I do have one thing in common with the creationists. Like me they will have no truck with NOMA and its separate magisteria.”

“The presence or absence of a creative super-intelligence is unequivocally a scientific question...The methods we should use to settle the matter...would be purely and entirely scientific methods.”

—Richard Dawkins

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Williams_GodDelusionReview_02012007.pdf

7 posted on 07/09/2007 3:33:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman; GodGunsGuts; betty boop

So we start with singularity. All the matter that composes the universe compressed into the size of a walnut (or so scientists speculate). And there is sat for some undetermined amount of time until it let go and expanded to the the size of the universe in a trillion trillionth of a second, moving faster than the speed of light (which is impossible but we won’t let details get in the way).

But if time and space didn’t exist yet, how do we know how big it was since there was no space to fill?

And how do we know how long it sat there unexpanded if time didn’t exist yet?

And why did it remain unexpanded for as long as it did?

Then why did it expand?

And where did it come from to begin with?

If a simple black hole has enough gravitational pull that no light can escape it, then how did the gravitational pull of all the matter in the universe manage to let go and expand?

So this universe then assembled itself into an orderly law abiding system, in direct violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. So what caused the laws that operate it to be set up? And how can it violate those laws?

Then life allegedly arose from non-living material, all on its own, then evolving into a complex self-reproducing entities. Consciousness and thought, emotions and will, all had their origin from randomness and chaos.

This isn’t science either. Looking at the universe and rewinding backwards like a video tape is a pretty poor excuse. Not to mention that it’s not testable, not reproducible, not observable, can’t be run as an experiment in a lab.

And scientists mock creationists?


13 posted on 07/09/2007 4:31:18 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman
The physical universe of space, time, matter, and energy has not always existed, but was supernaturally created by a transcendent personal Creator who alone has existed from eternity.

I agree this can not be tested by science. However current understanding of physical laws support much of it.

First the universe could not have always existed. This follows from the second law of thermodynamics combined with the apparent finite amount of energy in the universe. Now like anything science discovers, this foundation could be wrong, but both are pretty much considered "settled science". So the current state of science implies the universe did not always exist (although it appears to be extremely old).

From this it follows the universe must have started as a result from something outside of its own physics -- which means something that transcends it.

Now as far as we know, that might mean invisible pink flying unicorns...except that there is no sense in assigning them a color or shape -- concepts projected from non-transcendence...so such imaginings are better left to naturalist apologetics.

22 posted on 07/09/2007 6:38:30 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Coyoteman

The whole business of matter always existing is kinda mind-boggling as well; to me it implies that we are all Sisyphean in nature without even knowing it.


44 posted on 07/10/2007 12:46:02 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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