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Racial divide (Michael Vick)
Yahoo! Sports ^ | July 26, 2007 | Dan Wetzel

Posted on 07/27/2007 12:31:46 PM PDT by Michael2001

RICHMOND, Va. – The crowded, chaotic sidewalk on Main Street, across from the federal courthouse, was an unlikely location for a lesson on the virtues of the fifth amendment.

But standing behind a throng that wanted a pound of Michael Vick's flesh – people that had just screamed for the Atlanta Falcons quarterback to "burn in hell" and held signs advocating his murder, torture and neutering – was Thomas Smith in work boots and a white t-shirt.

High above his head he held a simple sign with just a single word: "Constitution."

"These folks have convicted a man who hasn't even had a chance to defend himself," said Smith. "They just forget everything about America."

But here was America in full force, full vision, mixing it up while Vick pled not guilty to federal charges pertaining to an alleged dog-fighting ring on property he owned in rural Surry County. And front and center, impossible to ignore, was race.

Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.

On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white.

Certainly not every animal rights supporter was screaming for Vick to die. Many were just there to support the cause of caring for animals, ending the barbaric practice of dog fighting and using the massive media presence to benefit good.

But a significant number were focused on Vick. When he emerged from a black SUV and made a slow walk up a ramp and into the courthouse, they pushed toward police barriers and let loose.

"Burn in hell you (expletive) (expletive)," repeatedly screamed one woman.

"Die like those dogs," shouted another.

Not long after Vick got inside the courthouse – and in a scene that was repeated when he left less than two hours later – the two sides clashed in shouted voices and dueling signs.

White people screaming for justice; black people asking if they still remember everything justice entails.

That a case involving dog fighting can break so quickly along racial lines is a testament to how it bubbles below just about everything in this country. We all wish it wasn't so, including both sides here. No one wanted this. Almost no one even wanted to acknowledge it. But it was there, plain as day in black and white.

"I wouldn't say it's a racial thing," said David Williams, an African American, in a hopeful tone. "It's not racial. But for these animal rights people to take one person and crucify him isn't fair."

The thing is, the "animal rights people" here were an estimated 90 percent white. The pro-Vick/due process crowd was probably 95 percent black.

Obviously, both animal rights advocates and due process proponents come in all colors. And certainly a circus show like this, revved up by a massive media presence, isn't representative of America.

But, then again, I also know what I saw and what I heard.

"They are not going to give the man a chance?" Williams said. "You're innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't even had a trial yet."

There should be two undeniable, 100 percent agreed upon truths concerning this case: First, dog fighting is a barbaric felony and whoever participated in it on Vick's property should get hammered by the justice system.

Second, Vick deserves the right to defend against the charges. The indictment cites four "cooperating witnesses," but presuming each is a dog fighter himself, potentially facing prosecution unless they rolled on Vick, who and how reliable are they?

That said, the U.S. Attorney's office is known for its detail and diligence – this isn't some hack county prosecutor like the Duke lacrosse case. They rarely lose, so the challenge for Vick is serious and significant. But he has the right to fight.

"This is going to be a hard-fought trial," agreed Billy Martin, Vick's attorney.

It may not be any less intense than the scene out on Main Street, where two sides, clearly divided and easily identifiable, both anchored in righteous beliefs and moral causes went at it.

Two black women held a sign declaring: "I support Mike Vick due process." That caused vocal jeering from the protesters, which in turn caused the women to taunt them back by waving the sign at them. Later two men had to be separated by security as their debate descended toward physical confrontation, all as a crowd surrounded shouting in all directions.

And on and on it went on this hot Southern sidewalk.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
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To: Vanders9
Even if technically these people do not assault Mr Vick, they can still affect him quite severely. Suppose as a result of this haranguing he “loses it” - his self-belief, his confidence, or whatever. Suppose he loses his job - quite possible - the charges are serious and his employers may feel they have to dissociate themselves from his name?

Then "Mr. Vick" will be sad and he might even cry. Did you forget a sarcasm tag?

81 posted on 07/28/2007 10:33:59 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G

I saw Geraldo a few weeks ago on O’Reilly talking about illegal immigration and he said something about getting those “pesky Swedes.” He seems to have a hangup.


82 posted on 07/28/2007 12:12:56 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: Junior_G
It's pathetic that so many people feel that we can't convict a black man of a heinous crime unless we find a white counterpart to convict as well. American political correctness gets more embarrassing every year.

Exactly. It's like "ok now when this black guy is convicted let's not forget that there are bad white people out there too". It's pathetic, we get it! White people are bad too! But this is about Michael Vick...
83 posted on 07/28/2007 8:07:07 PM PDT by Michael2001 (Every man lives, and every man dies, but not every man truly lives)
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To: Old Professer; wardaddy
"Dog fighting has long been a traditional sport of the landed whites in the deep south; these aren’t house pets were talking about here, these dogs are bred and trained to be ruthless killers, they’ll attack anyone or anything, even their master if he doesn’t club them into submission."

Vick’s only crime was in acting “White.”


I'm glad y'all straightened this out. This post was untrue, and totally uncalled for. I'm from the same neck of the woods as wardaddy, and I can tell you for a fact that dog fighting doesn't happen among the folks mentioned. In fact, a good hunting dog is revered, and treated like royalty...and they are loved.


"Vick’s visibilty makes him very high-profile - as an example, who else is being charged with him?"


I don't know the names of the others involved, but one of them apparently is rolling over on him, and has accepted a plea bargain. I heard this story all day today on FNC. So, he is not being singled out. His high profile, and his involvement in this mess, may be his undoing.

84 posted on 07/28/2007 9:18:27 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000; WKB

Nice post....Southern Gentry as dog fighters?

that is so absurd isn’t it?

I never knew anyone who fought dogs growing up in Mississippi from the Delta to Piney Woods or Jackson

not even the old ribald gulf coast of the 60s

first I ever knew firsthand of dog fighting was up here with hillbillies on the plateau


85 posted on 07/28/2007 9:38:57 PM PDT by wardaddy (chicks and small kids rule me)
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To: wardaddy; WKB

Frankly, I’d never heard of dog fighting until this came up.

Cock fighting, of course...especially in southern LA.

But, not dog fighting.


86 posted on 07/28/2007 10:01:58 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: wardaddy; dixiechick2000
All my folks ever did was supply the “adult beverages”
for such events.
87 posted on 07/28/2007 10:27:10 PM PDT by WKB (It's hard to tell who's more afraid of Fred Thompson; The Dims or the rudibots.)
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To: Michael2001
The difference is those "animal rights protesters" would have been there even if it was a white, Hispanic, or Asian athlete. I seriously doubt any of the blacks supporting Mike Vick's right to due process would be there if he were of another race.

Nailed it.

88 posted on 07/28/2007 10:30:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: WKB; wardaddy

Well...somebody had to do it.

Hope they made good money. ;o)


89 posted on 07/28/2007 10:35:18 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: wardaddy

Wow. Glad to read your posts. I was beginning to think it was me. I can’t believe the hoopla about this dog fighting. You’d think the guy was a child molester or serial killer.

And no, I don’t condone animal cruelty, but this hype is incredible.


90 posted on 07/28/2007 10:48:02 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: wardaddy

I had sent a private reply to that hogwash before, but I need to say it publically as well. I am from New Orleans and live in Georgia now. I spent 12 years in Mississippii. Noone in those places in my circles ever participtaed in let alone condoned dog fighting. It is a ghetto sport.


91 posted on 07/28/2007 10:49:50 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: dixiechick2000; wardaddy

92 posted on 07/28/2007 11:05:03 PM PDT by WKB (It's hard to tell who's more afraid of Fred Thompson; The Dims or the rudibots.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Sounds like OJ all over again.

.....this time it ain’t an LA court.
There will lie Your difference.


93 posted on 07/28/2007 11:14:15 PM PDT by rewrite
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To: cjohnson1
yes of course its racial....everything is either racial or religious or sexual.....

imagine black people demonstrating for the Duke Lacrosse team about the "constitution" and about condemning someone before a trial ......opps....guess they missed that opportunity.....

of course plenty of whites missed that opportunity too....

94 posted on 07/28/2007 11:25:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Old Professer; wardaddy

For how long have you been a PETA member?

Just curious.


95 posted on 07/29/2007 12:35:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Junior_G

No I didnt forget a \sarc. I had a friend who was so affected by by this kind of hounding that he took his own life.
Don’t believe the old adage “sticks and stone may break my bones, but words can never hurt me”. Physical injuries are nothing. Words damage the spirit.


96 posted on 07/29/2007 1:03:03 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
Don’t believe the old adage “sticks and stone may break my bones, but words can never hurt me”. Physical injuries are nothing. Words damage the spirit.

But I do believe the adage. All of us have had nasty things said to us. Everybody has a "damaged spirit". Not all of us take pleasure in torturing and killing dogs.

97 posted on 07/29/2007 1:12:25 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: dixiechick2000
The whole point was that you don't know their names.
98 posted on 07/29/2007 8:12:22 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I can’t speak for wardaddy but for myself, I subscribe to the Groucho philosophy, “Any organization that would have me for a member, I don’t want any part of.”


99 posted on 07/29/2007 8:15:22 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Geraldo is a screwball he belongs back in Porto Rico.


100 posted on 07/29/2007 8:29:18 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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