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Hot tempers on global warming
boston.com ^ | August 15, 2007 | By Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 08/17/2007 7:18:52 PM PDT by Reform Canada

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To: camerakid400
...accepted among qualified scientists.

There's far too much reliance on what "scientists" say or think.

What matters is what scientifically-gathered data show.

And the MSM does not report data, only opinion.

21 posted on 08/17/2007 7:58:41 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: P-40

I read the article and it’s BIG theme was that “DENIERS” based their argument on the validity of scientific data.

WHATTA SHAME! The article must have been written before NASA was forced to revise its data to show that the 1930’s was the hottest decade.

ANYTHING that depends on a model depends on assumptions.
The assumptions of the modellers has been consistently OFF.

This is such a CROCK!


22 posted on 08/17/2007 8:21:57 PM PDT by plangent
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To: plangent
The assumptions of the modellers has been consistently OFF.

And all the assumptions are biased towards worst case scenarios. These assumptions compound and make the models grossly overestimate future impacts. They are a joke. The worst thing is modellers don't even have a grip on the impact of more cloud cover. They could actually help cool the earth, but the models assume cloud cover will add to the warming.

23 posted on 08/17/2007 8:35:33 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Nitro

He usually warms up after a first date... Oh, Kelvin. Not Kevin. Never mind.


24 posted on 08/17/2007 8:35:59 PM PDT by irishtenor (There is no "I" in team, but there are two in IDIOT.)
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To: irishtenor

By the way, who voted for these guys to be able to set the temps and climate for the whole world? I must have missed that election.


27 posted on 08/17/2007 8:48:18 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Reform Canada
...simply brushes aside the 1975 report as "alarmist" and "discredited."

As opposed to today's hysteria??? Anyone here an echo of "WOLF!" ???

28 posted on 08/17/2007 8:53:58 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: irishtenor
If it’s concensus, it ain’t scientific. Science deals with FACT, not concensus.

Exactly. How far is it from "consensus" to "popular opinion" and how far from there to simply "fad" ???

29 posted on 08/17/2007 8:55:51 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: plangent

It was just so funny because he could have made a simple argument that scientific instruments with such capabilities were just not available then like they are now...


30 posted on 08/17/2007 9:12:38 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Reform Canada

It is interesting that this article appeared in the Boston Globe.


31 posted on 08/17/2007 9:15:18 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Little Rock Ag; okie01

RFK, Jr. is knee deep in the fraudulent “cap and trade” proposals.


32 posted on 08/17/2007 9:17:35 PM PDT by Shermy
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33 posted on 08/17/2007 9:24:23 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (From my fist to Harry Reid's face)
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To: Reform Canada
Yet Meacham, quoting none of this, simply brushes aside the 1975 report as "alarmist" and "discredited." Today, he assures his readers, Newsweek's climate-change anxieties rest "on the safest of scientific ground." Do they?

No, because Meacham is just a lying S.O.S..
34 posted on 08/17/2007 9:36:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Reform Canada; 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
"On global cooling," he writes, "there was never anything even remotely approaching the current scientific consensus that the world is growing warmer because of the emission of greenhouse gases." ...in 1975... the magazine reported that scientists were "almost unanimous" in believing that the looming Big Chill would mean a decline in food production, with some warning that "the resulting famines could be catastrophic." Moreover, it said, "the evidence in support of these predictions" -- everything from shrinking growing seasons to increased North American snow cover -- had "begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it." Yet Meacham, quoting none of this, simply brushes aside the 1975 report as "alarmist" and "discredited."
Meachum is discredited, Newsweek is (twice) discredited, and -- you guessed it -- The Debate Is Over. ;') Thanks RC.
 
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35 posted on 08/17/2007 9:47:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, August 17, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: HighWheeler

Wow! Thanks!!!


36 posted on 08/17/2007 9:48:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, August 17, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Patrick1
“Very hard to be consistent and faithful when your religion (global warming) has no God”

I thought that was the position AlGore was running for?

37 posted on 08/17/2007 10:08:18 PM PDT by JSteff (Reality= understanding you are not nearly important enough for the government to tap your phone.)
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To: Reform Canada

How can there be a consensus when they cannot get the correct temperature data on which to base it. NASA and NOAA can’t agree as to which was the warmest year in the contiguous 48 states.


38 posted on 08/17/2007 10:12:40 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Nitro

-273 C = 0 Kelvin.


39 posted on 08/17/2007 10:17:56 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Rudder
“There’s far too much reliance on what “scientists” say or think.”

Like the scientists at NCI or FDA. No scientist has found a cure for any cancer yet. Yet we have spent BILLIONS on that.

Maybe we need to agree on what a scientist is or does. Maybe set a standard. Can you get a certificate or something?

Although I think you can become a scientologist... but that is another liberal scam too.

40 posted on 08/17/2007 10:29:38 PM PDT by JSteff (Reality= understanding you are not nearly important enough for the government to tap your phone.)
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