Posted on 09/17/2007 8:26:38 PM PDT by AFA-Michigan
During a streaming live post-debate analysis, Values Voter Debate organizer Janet Folger announced that 63% of voting delegates at the debate (chosen by the sponsoring organizations) chose Gov. Mike Huckabee as the winner.
Delegates voted before and after the debate. Huckabee picked up over a hundred votes in the "after" vote.
1. Huckabee 219 2. Paul 44 3. Keyes 24
I am reminded of how Nixon and JFK debated Kemoi and Matsu, two islands no one had ever heard of and which have not been mentioned since. There is a lot more to consider in choosing a president than his position on the so called issues. Life has a way of producing surprises such as 911 which offer different challenges than anticipated in the debates.
Thompson’s the best team on paper. Let’s see how he does during the regular season.
Candidates win with teamwork. I'm not waiting for anything. My teams on the field and I'm pushing for victory. I'll leave it to others to sit in the stands and cheer for the winner.
Huckabee. Don’t they realize he will lie.
“....plus whoever watched it on various Christian TV networks,...”
When channel surfing I have only paused on any of those stations when something caught my eye. The most amusing times are when some huckster is trying to get retiree’s or the true fans to buy some really overpriced stuff or to donate.
“Ever heard of State’s Rights? You know, principles that this country was founded on!”
Yeah, I’ve heard of it. Great-great-granddaddy put in a couple of years marching around Alabama and Mississippi in pursuit of it.
And lost...
But today, which of the following you think should be left to the states?
Each state should be able to choose whether to:
* Let babies be aborted
* Let people own slaves
* Let people own guns
* Allow polygamy
* Let churches exist
If you think any of the above should be universally guaranteed in all 50 states, but others shouldn’t, please explain the difference.
What I think is of no concern. Of your list of 5 only 3, possibly 4 are specified in our Constitution.
Right to bear arms (original)
Separation of Church and State (original)
Abolition of Slavery (Amended)
Polygamy (State's Rights)
Abortion (State's Rights since there is no Constitutional Amendment and not mention in the original Constitution.)
Anyone voting for Fred must be voting from at least partial ignorance -- because so far, he hasn't presented a platform. He dribbles out the occasional policy position, but his campaign so far has mostly consisted of "I'm a big guy with a charming drawl. Can't you just trust me?"
There's not a lot of substance in the "debates," but they're the only forum so far in which the candidates have to defend their positions to an audience not of their choosing.
Of course Fred's only been an official candidate for a week or two, so maybe he'll come out with a comprehensive set of plans and principles -- I'm taking a wait-and-see approach on that. Until then, all we have is his record from a term and a half in the Senate -- and as mutual fund managers have to say, past results are no guarantee of future performance.
Excellent response
I don’t know how Ron Paul gets so much support. That guy is living outside of reality. He gives me the creeps.
Huckabee comes across very well. He loses credibility when he claims his economic history is better than it really is.
You should assume the vote is strictly about who WON the debate, not who they will vote for.
How much does it cost to not fund abortion?
You need to review your history on that. Utah was forced by the federal government to end the practice.
And please quote the part of the Constitution that contains the phrase "separation of church and state."
I have no idea what this is in response to.
http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues
The Courts have overstepped their boundaries more than once. Simply because the Supreme Court rules on a specific doesn’t mean that that ruling is correct. As for polygamy it is states, not the federal government, that grant marriage licenses, and it is state — not federal — courts that adjudicate family law issues, including issues relating to marriage, separation, divorce, and the like. Not every state will decide the same way: Remember, Goodridge was a decision of a state court interpreting a state Constitution. And so was Baker v. State, the Vermont decision that approved civil unions (but not gay marriage).
That may sound like a good idea to you but it is not the factual history of our Country. The federal government insisted and that's the only reason we do not have polygamy in this country. I'll go find you a link to the information.
I will grant you that states adjudicate family law, but the federal government has long played a part in the fundamental defintion of marriage.
Huckabee Wins Values Debate Straw Poll with 63%
Here are the official results of the straw poll conducted before and then immediately after the Values Voter debate. The poll included 340 delegates hand-selected by 40 of America’s social conservative activists and opinion makers. Pre-debate numbers are located in the parenthesis and the post debate numbers immediately follow the colon.
Mike Huckabee: 219 (119) Clear Winner with 63%
Ron Paul: 44 (53)
Alan Keyes: 24 (30)
Sam Brownback: 18 (26)
Fred Thompson: 15 (52)
Duncan Hunter: 13 (8)
Tom Tancredo: 7 (8)
Rudy Guiliani: 4 (16)
John Cox: 2 (1)
John McCain: 2 (13)
Mitt Romney: 0 (14)
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