[RobFromGa]

Interesting, I'll have to watch this documentary...

[RobFromGa]

FYI

[xcamel]

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interesting......

[VeritatisSplendor]

Sprinkling coal dust on glaciers should have some effect. Cooling down the earth would be tricker.

Mrs VS

[Argus]

at some point glaciers are going to move down and grind New York into the North Atlantic ocean.

Probably the night Al Gore hosts the premiere of AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH II at the Tribeca Film Festival.

[wolfcreek]

Someone please e-mail this to ALGORE. I’d much rather be warm.

[crazyshrink]

I watched it several weeks ago. It is extremely informative. I guess we will go back the other way shortly.

[Names Ash Housewares]

It was excellent.

And it gives the BIG PICTURE that so many global warming alarmists utterly lack.

[RightWhale]

The Ice Age is already here but is having some trouble kicking in. When it does, which could be right now, it could snap over in very short order.

[COUNTrecount]

[Dr. McMenamin:] The New York area is going to be completely changed by the next cycle of glaciation, and at some point glaciers are going to move down and grind New York into the North Atlantic ocean.

But will condo prices go down?

[lexington minuteman 1775]

Manhattan will be ground into the Atlantic? Where is the bad news here?

[wastedyears]

Global warming > global cooling

[SandRat]

"We simply cannot afford to gamble. We cannot risk inaction. The scientists who disagree are acting irresponsibly. The indications that our climate can soon change for the worse are too strong to be reasonably ignored." This quote was taken from the Washington Post in 1972. Many scientists agreed that we were in grave danger. But the fear that gripped these scientists in 1972 was over something called "global cooling."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/99989/global_warming_a_lot_of_hot_air.html Go here for even more chortles at the Global Warming/Cooling Chicken Littles.

[Martins kid]

We haven’t fully recovered from that last ice age yet. My glaciology professor said we have a little way to go yet before the turn around. All we will see in our lifetimes is just wierd weather - more unpredictable and warmer. Climate doesn’t change as fast as weather. No need to panic.

[Myrddin]

You can find a nice exposition on the topic from Robert Felix. His book, "Not by Fire, but by Ice" details a large number of measured cycles. He believes a large number of those cycles are currently converging toward the start of another ice age. Well documented and researched.

A more sensationalist approach is "The Coming Global Superstorm" cobbled up by Whitley Strieber and Art Bell. It is a concoction of science and fiction intended to entertain.

The lesson I draw from the two works is that climate change is the normal state on Earth. We are fortunate in our capability to see a longer horizon than previous generations. It's something that we can't do a damn thing to change. What we can do is prepare for the inevitable. Put our critical infrastructure for food, power and living arrangements in a location that will remain habitable as the ice age arrives.

Felix notes that the only real difference in an ice age is a drop of temperature sufficient for the collection of snow to be unable to completely melt off. That results in a net increase in snow and ice year over year. Seattle, WA was once under a mile of ice. The area where I live in southeast Idaho was untouched by glaciers. See his book for a view of the prior edge of glaciation across North America.

[colorado tanker]

During the last ice age humans were driven into the southern U.S. In Europe, humans sheltered in refuges in southern Spain, Italy and the Balkans.

It will definitely be a challenge for the human race with much of the heart of the West and the world's financial institutions under the ice. A lot of arable land will be lost too.

I'm not sorry I won't see it.

[Freeport]

Here's the link to the History Channel Schedule: How the Earth was Made.

[larryjohnson]

0800 tues

[SeanOGuano]

I just bought my season ski pass at Snow Bowl. I’ve got a feeling it’s going to be a banner year!

[Sgt_Schultze]

bump

[jonrick46]

The documentary was good. It also talked about gamma-ray bursts. We have more to fear from gam­ma-ray bursts than global warming. Such occurs when stars collapse and become black holes. Such an event needs only to be about 8,000 light years away to cause major extinction from changes to the atmosphere. The production of nitric oxide from these atmospheric changes will destroy the ozone layer for years. It is this ozone layer that protects all life from cell killing ultraviolet radiation. Once nitric oxide is formed on the massive scale that such an event will create, it will take years for such a gas to absorbed into organic matter. The destruction of all surface-dwelling plankton will devastate the food chain for all sea life. Such a event has all ready occurred causing the Or­do­vi­ci­an Mass Ex­tinc­tion 450 mil­lion years ago.

The documentary described an extinction event that occurred 700 million years ago when the earth experienced a chill that created an ice layer—”Snowball Earth”—one mile deep. This event was caused by too little CO2 in the atmosphere which caused an ice layer to grow from the poles that reflected more and more sunlight and caused the Earth to get colder and colder. We could suddenly find ourselves in a CO2 death spiral where colder and colder temperatures cause less CO2 to be released from organic activities.

If a gamma-ray burst were to occur to knock out much of the earth’s CO2 organic matter, it could plunge the earth into an irreversible snow ball existence. We need as much CO2 kicking around in the atmosphere as we can to prevent an irreversible ice age.