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BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: Authorities enter Eldorado-area temple (Fundamentalist LDS cult)
Go San Angelo ^ | 5 April 08 | Paul A. Anthony

Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot

Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.

The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.

The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.

The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.

Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.

“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”

Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.

Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.

“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”

Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.

Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.

The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.

“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”

The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.

The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.

Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.

“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.

Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.

No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.

Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.

“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cult; flds; jeffs; lds; lyingfreepers; mormon; mormonism; pitcairnisland; pologamy; polygamy; romney; soapoperaresty; warrenjeffs
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To: P-Marlowe

Thankfully it only took 4 years in Texas.

What were they thinking?

Did they really think that Texas would put up with this bull?

Texas was just waiting for a chance to bring these perverts down.

Next time, stay in Utah!


421 posted on 04/06/2008 12:46:40 PM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I have no problems at ALL with Romeny or his religion. I was trying to point out that the “ image “ of Mormons overall is hurt by this cult.


422 posted on 04/06/2008 12:55:39 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie ( WE NEED A TROOP SURGE IN LOS ANGELES !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“I was trying to point out that the “ image “ of Mormons overall is hurt by this cult.”


Things like this make people learn about the religion’s fundamental beliefs and it makes the “milk instead of meat” method of gaining new followers just a little more difficult.


423 posted on 04/06/2008 1:12:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: ansel12

An update.

ELDORADO - The children taken from the Mormon splinter sect compound were housed Saturday at Eldorado’s community center and the First Baptist Church fellowship hall, sleeping on donated cots and eating food dropped off by Eldorado residents.

The food was cooked by Sutton County Steak House of Sonora, about 20 miles south of Eldorado.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stays in seclusion, eating food grown at the compound and minimizing contact with the outside world - the extent of which became apparent as the children sampled what the steakhouse had to offer, said owner Linda Love.

“They didn’t even know what a steak finger was,” she said. “They’re singing songs. So happy and sweet and precious. It’s heartbreaking.”

Church volunteers and Eldorado residents bought diapers and food supplies from the local Super S Food Store, dropped off bottles of water and wheeled cases of soda in shopping carts. Some came in hopes of volunteering, but signs on the door to the fellowship hall said officials only accepted donations.

Many church members and officials were helping Friday and Saturday, said Shea Politte, whose husband, Sylas, is the First Baptist Church youth minister and helped coordinate the church’s efforts in providing buses and supplies.

Politte declined to give specifics about the church’s new tenants.

“I don’t want to jeopardize their rights,” she said. “They have more now.”


O.K. I admit I don’t even know what a steak finger is. Sounds disturbing.


424 posted on 04/06/2008 1:33:09 PM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: bill1952; TheBattman; dmw; JRochelle
While I agree with much of the rest of your post, that statement is ridiculous. - We need to stay within, say, 2,000 years when using examples...

I actually agree with you. Thinking on it; it was ridiculous for me to use that example but my point was (or should have been), that this doesn’t stop a lot of other people from quoting and interpreting the OT (or NT), usually taken greatly out of context, to defend or refute a lot of things that shouldn’t be defended or refuted.

I was in no way condoning polygamy in general and in absolutely no way condoning the actions of the FLDS.

But IMO there is a big difference between consenting adults willingly entering into a polygamous arrangement and the forced “marriage” of minor girls to their close relatives; the incestuous rape of children.

I’ve known a few Mormons over the years (none of them practicing polygamy BTW) who would be equally mortified by such deviant behavior. And just because some people of their faith once practiced polygamy, just like some folks in the good old “Biblical” days did, that doesn’t mean that they (the modern LDS, or Jews or Christians for that matter) today condone the practice now.

As to whether or not OT “scripture” or the Ten Commandments or GOD ever condoned a man having multiple wives, the OT does often mention that Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and many others who had multiple wives and since all these men according to the Bible, found great favor and grace with GOD and were not punished for it, one could reasonably conclude that at one time the practice was not against their religious faith.

I just get a little peeved when some folks attack Mormons for their religious beliefs; some of the most politically conservative and patriotic and moral folks I’ve known.

I also find it interesting and a bit disturbing when “conservative” Protestants go after “conservative” Catholics and visa versa over the finer points of dogma without seeing how much they have in common with each other.

But as an Atheist, I don’t really have a horse in this race. So if you all want to try to destroy each other, go ahead, be my guest.

But I also want to let all of you know that I’m perhaps an anomaly among many of my fellow Atheists, as I don’t think there is anything wrong with prayer in schools, with the mention of God in the Pledge of Allegiance, with the Ten Commandments displayed in courtrooms, with public Nativity displays, etc.

I often find myself defending religious freedoms rather than trying to stamp out all religion like some Atheists. I believe in freewill and the conscience of one’s convictions to believe or not believe as they choose.

But a “belief”, whether it is Muslim or the FLDS or The Westboro “Church” doesn’t mean that violation of the law is OK. The FDLS – not the main stream Mormon Church, is breaking the law by enslaving minor children against everything religiously and secularly moral right and legally acceptable.
425 posted on 04/06/2008 1:38:37 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: JRochelle

“O.K. I admit I don’t even know what a steak finger is. Sounds disturbing.”


I served many a steak finger and gravy when I worked for Dairy Queen.

My memory of it, is that it is a fast food bag of pieces of tenderized round steak that is breaded and deep fried, I think they were about 3” long and an inch wide.

They are like chicken nuggets, except they are beef, and you dip them into gravy instead of the chicken nugget sauces.


426 posted on 04/06/2008 1:46:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: Caramelgal

” And just because some people of their faith once practiced polygamy, just like some folks in the good old “Biblical” days did, “


They stopped doing it 13 years before Bob Hope was born.


427 posted on 04/06/2008 1:47:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: ansel12; JRochelle

What’s a “chicken nugget”?...sound gross! Is it something you wipe off your shoe? ;)


428 posted on 04/06/2008 2:01:43 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (An "Inconvenient Truth".....Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: Caramelgal

You will be hard pressed to find a Mormons who thinks polygamy is a sin and was a sin 160 years ago.

I am well aware that the mainstream Mormon church no longer practices it.

There have been many mainstream Mormons on FR who have defended polygamy.

I will never agree with them, and I am not one to shy away from saying so.


429 posted on 04/06/2008 2:03:06 PM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: greyfoxx39

LOL.

I’ll take a ‘nugget’ over a ‘finger’ any day!


430 posted on 04/06/2008 2:04:58 PM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: ansel12

I can assure you that here in the midwest, they don’t serve fingers at Dairy Queen.

Go to Wendy’s for that. :)


431 posted on 04/06/2008 2:06:16 PM PDT by JRochelle (Voting Obama on May 6.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I have no problems at ALL with Romeny or his religion. I was trying to point out that the “ image “ of Mormons overall is hurt by this cult.

No more than Christianity's image is hurt by the bakers and swaggarts of the world.

432 posted on 04/06/2008 2:07:48 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: All
...eating food grown at the compound and minimizing contact with the outside world - the extent of which became apparent as the children sampled what the steakhouse had to offer...

In some cases, the children may have escaped the frying pan only to land in the fire. Animal products such as deep-fried steak fingers, dairy products such as Vermont cheese, and particularly processed foods such as are usually available at 'Super S' convenience stores are known to cause heart disease, stroke and dementia in the 80% of Americans whose diet consists predominantly of such foods high in acrylimides & hopelessly low in nutrients per calorie.

I certainly hope that evidence of abuse on the compound is substantiated or, relatively, the kids may be worse off in the steak house than they were on the compoound...at least nutritionally.

No doubt, however, that the kids are NOT facing the dire threats of imminent incarceration that they would be facing if Hillary & Bill were back in the White House...

433 posted on 04/06/2008 2:07:56 PM PDT by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: greyfoxx39; JRochelle

Here is a recipe for ‘steak fingers’, tasty stuff.

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Steak-Fingers/Detail.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_McNuggets


434 posted on 04/06/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: O Neill

Oooops...”incarceration” should be “incineration”...imminent, that is...


435 posted on 04/06/2008 2:10:40 PM PDT by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: DaveMSmith
The apostles never believed in a three person Trinity. That was hatched out of the Council of Nicea.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14: 15-17
"If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.


Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......don't see the Council of Nicea mentioned there at all.

But, I guess why should we believe this Jesus guy anyway, right?

436 posted on 04/06/2008 2:10:42 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: O Neill

“In some cases, the children may have escaped the frying pan only to land in the fire. Animal products such as deep-fried steak fingers, dairy products such as Vermont cheese, and particularly processed foods such as are usually available at ‘Super S’ convenience stores are known to cause heart disease, stroke and dementia in the 80% of Americans whose diet consists predominantly of such foods high in acrylimides & hopelessly low in nutrients per calorie.”


At least now they stand a better chance of dying as Christians, and a much less chance of being molested, used, and abused.


437 posted on 04/06/2008 2:12:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: DaveMSmith; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

The apostles never believed in a three person Trinity. That was hatched out of the Council of Nicea. See Colossians 2:9: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Really? Try the Gospel:
And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
1 John Chapter 5,7
438 posted on 04/06/2008 2:18:10 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: SkyPilot

See post 438.


439 posted on 04/06/2008 2:18:47 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: DaveMSmith
By the way, did you actually read this passage you repeated back to me; and then you said there is not a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Matthew 28:19

440 posted on 04/06/2008 2:19:50 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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