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Indeed.
1 posted on 04/22/2008 10:07:25 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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Evolution? Adaptation. Survival of the fittest..........


2 posted on 04/22/2008 10:10:03 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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Imagine that.

The Theory of Evolution is --- well, evolving!

3 posted on 04/22/2008 10:11:25 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Now, if we can just get these Italian LOUNGE LIZARDS to adapt to society........

4 posted on 04/22/2008 10:11:37 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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But....but... I thought evolution was a dirty atheist lie!!! [/sarc]


5 posted on 04/22/2008 10:12:05 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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In the Chesapeake Bay, crabbers have been forced to use “cull rings” in their traps - small plastic rings that let baby crabs escape and grow up. Wouldn’t you know, smaller adults are escaping too, and are now creating a population of adult crabs that get no larger than about 4 inches across.

Oddly enough, the guy who pointed this out to me also doesn’t believe in evolution.


6 posted on 04/22/2008 10:16:25 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (It's a fine line between Guardian Angel and Stalker.)
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Notice the irony:

Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.

Completely unscientific statement. They have no reason to say that it would "normally take millions of years" to adapt in this way. There is absolutely no way of addressing that statement empirically, hence it's just idle speculation. Since it has obviously happened in 37 years, there is no need to pull a "millions of years" explanation out of thin air.

8 posted on 04/22/2008 10:17:25 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Hey they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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Genetic drift...look into it.


11 posted on 04/22/2008 10:22:04 AM PDT by gundog (John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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A base population of only 10 individuals helped I’m sure. Had there been thousands there may have been no changes at all.


12 posted on 04/22/2008 10:23:42 AM PDT by OSHA (framing it as though you've magically neutralized any potential negative eventuality)
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Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island

But enough about the Democrats on Nantucket.
15 posted on 04/22/2008 10:28:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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Little bastards are showing up everywhere.

17 posted on 04/22/2008 10:32:11 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Huh?)
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I’m not an anti-evolutionary, but this article very succinctly points out the largest flaw; that there are simply things we don’t understand. But even saying that puts you in the fundamentalist camp to some.


19 posted on 04/22/2008 10:33:38 AM PDT by jack_napier (Bob? Gun.)
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Not possible.

Accomplished evolutionary biologist Ben Stein said so. /sarcasm


20 posted on 04/22/2008 10:35:15 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Italian wall lizards evolve.

Italian lounge lizards devolve.

Is anyone claiming that the genomic diversity of the new lizards was all present in the 10 founder lizards? All the genes for the modifications to their new lifestyle, were they all present in the 10 founders? Or was this (yet another) example of the biological innovation that some claim is impossible?


23 posted on 04/22/2008 10:38:34 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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Let us know when they evolve into mammals.


25 posted on 04/22/2008 10:43:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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What kinds of genetic changes did they find? Any?
26 posted on 04/22/2008 10:43:36 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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A lizard evolved into........ A LIZARD!!!!!!!


30 posted on 04/22/2008 10:52:26 AM PDT by bigcat32
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A new gut structure, harder bite??? Gee these are very quantitative descriptions...no doubt a “scientist” with at least a high school education came up with them.


37 posted on 04/22/2008 11:10:14 AM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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[In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say.

In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea.

Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970s.]

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LOL, Hmmm:

A new gut structure, and a harder bite. How do you determine they had a new gut structure — opening them up? If so, there probably would be a real tendency on the lizards’ part to bite harder.

Of course, thanks really ought to go out to the guy/gal who, in 1971, developed the bite test methodology, then measured, and recorded their bite strength. Talk about foresight!

Genetic testing on 5000 lizards. Sounds like it's a good thing the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, is tiny.

Wonder how long it took to catch each of the 5000.

Wonder what type of tagging/marking process they used to ensure they weren't catching the same ones again.

Wonder how many of the 5000 survived the “new gut structure” test.

Wonder what the state of genetic testing was in 1971, when the baseline for the lizards was measured and recorded.

10 lizards to 5000 lizards since 1971. They were of course, Italian lizards, so maybe some Italian FReeper can provide some insight into whether that's a realistic expectation, or instead, a sadly lacking reproduction count.

If it's sadly lacking in quantity, it was probably caused by Globull warming.

If it's a realistic and/or exceedingly good quantity, maybe these lizards are on their way to evolving into ...... rabbits?

39 posted on 04/22/2008 12:08:45 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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Did they become birds? Or fish? Or, were the changes all within the baramin they currently belong to?


41 posted on 04/22/2008 1:30:38 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.

Or, in ways that some folks believe took millions of years to play out.
42 posted on 04/22/2008 4:01:07 PM PDT by aruanan
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