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To: buwaya

If the majority in that region (Kosovo) was Albanian for centuries, why don’t they have the right, according to principles of self-determination, to demand separation and independence ?

so we will turn over a substantial portion of the US to illegals from the south? that is the equivalent to your suggestion in Serbia...apples and apples...defend your position...


114 posted on 05/10/2008 12:30:14 PM PDT by Celebratelife008
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To: Celebratelife008

Good question -

Answers and related points -

- I am against illegal immigration. Of course we should do something about that.

- Even if there were a full stop to illegal immigration we would still have nearly all the situation you worry about, due to established demographic trends in the US SouthWest.

- The difference between the US and Serbia/Kosovo is the nature of American citizenship and identity, and to a great degree also the nature of Mexican identity. Europe is full of tribal nations, the Serbs and Albanians are definitely in that category. American identity is not this tribal thing. Unless things are carried on very badly these people of Mexican origin will feel more American than Mexican, like the older population is American and not whatever European tribe they came from.

Mexico is also a mixed place, which does not in fact have a strong national identity. The whole “la raza” business, which was part of Mexican nationalist propaganda in Mexico proper decades before it was ever parroted by idiots in the US, was a rather pathetic attempt to drum up Mexican nationalist feeling in Mexico. It didn’t work.

- On a more practical level, Kosovo-Albanians do not see that Serbia has much to offer them in terms of economic opportunity or scope for advancement. They can credibly think they can do better for themselves.

Mexicans in America ? Precisely the opposite. The entire point of being here and not there has nothing to do with the land in itself and everything to do with being part of US society. Thats where the jobs are, thats where the livelihood is. Reuniting with Mexico is stupid, Mexico is the pit they escaped, the last thing they want is to return to the pit.

There are idiots (there are always idiots) who claim otherwise. But this is not exactly a widespread idea. The Mexican-American consensus is that it is an idiotic idea.

- Unlike the Serbians, America has the ability to assimilate these people, because it is a society designed for assimilation. Albanians can’t become Serbs, not least because the Serbs won’t let them. But America can and has let Mexicans become Americans. We need to get rid of any barrier in the way of that. Among them is any remaining bit of tribalism that keeps Mexicans from fully assimilating, and any bit of “multicultural” nonsense from the other end.


116 posted on 05/10/2008 10:25:21 PM PDT by buwaya
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