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To: old-and-old

So, do they pay you by the word to post so much useless nonsense, old mold?

In case you didn’t notice, the World Court found Serbia innocent of what happened in Bosnia. The two are unrelated.

And by the way, where were those “100,000 dead or missing Kosovars”? They were neither dead nor missing, it was all lies to get the US to intervene to fight their battles for them, costing us literally $Billions.

“Sovereignty” is to a country what “private property” is to an individual.

If I hold the title to an apartment building, it doesn’t matter if a thousand renters live there, the property doesn’t belong to the renters just because they are the primary “inhabitants”. It belongs to me, because I paid for the apartment building and I hold the title — it’s my “private property”.

Likewise, it doesn’t matter if the primary inhabitants of Kosovo are Albanians, it isn’t their private property, because it is sovereign Serbia. To argue otherwise is to argue “for Socialism & the rights of the masses”, and against Conservatism.


28 posted on 05/19/2008 5:27:35 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
>> In case you didn’t notice, the World Court found Serbia innocent of what happened in Bosnia.

lie lie lie and someone already pointed this out to you. Serbia was not found "innocent" but the court could not find any documents to back the claim that they SERBIA knew that they supplies sent to SERBS in Bosnia was used to kill, rape and hold the Non-Serbs in concentration camps. The court ruled that SERBS committed genocide in Bosnia and Serbs do hold quite a few "since WWII" records. No need to disown anyone, they're yours. Serbia was smart to hide the documents

Serbia's darkest pages hidden from genocide court

THE HAGUE: In the spring of 2003, boxes with hundreds of documents arrived at the Yugoslav war crimes tribunal in The Hague containing hundreds of pages marked "Defense. State secret. Strictly confidential." The cache contained minutes of wartime meetings of Yugoslav political and military leaders, including Slobodan Milosevic, and promised the best inside view yet of Serbia's role in the Bosnian war of 1992-95.

But there was a catch. Serbia, the heir to Yugoslavia, obtained court permission to keep parts of the archives out of the public eye, citing national security. Its lawyers blacked out many sensitive - those who have seen them say incriminating - pages. Judges and lawyers at the war crimes tribunal could see the censored material, but it was barred from the court's public records.

Now, lawyers and others who were involved in Serbia's bid for secrecy say that, at the time, Belgrade made its true objective clear: to keep the full military archives from another court, the International Court of Justice, nearby. And they say Belgrade's goal was achieved in February, when that court, dealing with Bosnia's lawsuit against Serbia, declared Serbia not guilty of genocide, and absolved it from paying potentially enormous war damages.

Lawyers interviewed in The Hague and Belgrade said that the outcome might well have been different had the Court of Justice pressed for access to the uncensored archives. Legal scholars and human rights groups say that it is deeply troubling that the judges did not subpoena the documents directly from Serbia.

"It's a question that nags loudly," Diane Orentlicher, a law professor at American University in Washington, said recently in The Hague. "Why didn't the court request the full documents? The fact that they were blacked out clearly implies these passages would have made a difference."

The ruling - 170 pages long - was in many ways meticulous, and acknowledged that the 15 judges had not seen the censored military archives. But it did not say why the court did not order Serbia to provide them.

Two of the judges themselves criticized that failure, in strongly worded dissents. One, the court's vice president, Awn Shawkat Al-Khasawneh of Jordan, wrote that "regrettably the court failed to act," adding, "It is a reasonable expectation that those documents would have shed light on the central questions."

At one point, the court rebuffed a Bosnian request that it demand the full documents, and said ample evidence was already available in tribunal records.

As part of its ruling, the court said that the 1995 massacre at the supposed safe haven of Srebrenica - when in nearly 8,000 unarmed Muslim men and boys were killed - was an act of genocide committed by Bosnian Serb forces, but that it lacked proof that these forces were acting under the "direction" or "effective control" of Serbia.

The ruling raised some eyebrows because aspects of Serbian military involvement are already known from records of earlier trials at the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. In late 1993, for instance, more than 1,800 officers and noncommissioned men from the Yugoslav Army were serving in the Bosnian Serb Army, and were deployed, paid, promoted or retired by Belgrade. These and many other men, including top generals, tribunal records showed, were given dual identities, and to handle this, Belgrade created the so-called 30th Personnel Center of the General Staff, a secret office for dealing with the officers listed on active duty in both armies.

The court took note of that information, but said that Belgrade's "substantial support" did not automatically make the Bosnian Serb Army a Serbian agent.

But lawyers who have seen the archives and further secret personnel files say than they address Serbian control and direction even more directly, revealing in new and vivid detail how Belgrade financed and supplied the war in Bosnia, and how the Bosnian Serb Army, though officially separate after 1992, remained virtually an extension of the Yugoslav Army.

They said the archives showed that Serbian forces, including secret police, played a role in the takeover of Srebrenica and in the preparation of the massacre there.

The story of the blacked-out documents, pieced together from more than 20 interviews with lawyers and court officials and from public records, offers rare insight into secret proceedings in The Hague where hearings, though usually public, can turn into closed sessions and deals often happen behind closed doors.

It took the tribunal prosecutors two years of talks, court orders and diplomatic pressure for the Belgrade government to hand over the documents, the much-coveted minutes of the Supreme Defense Council, created in 1992 when Serb-dominated Yugoslavia was fighting for more land for Serbs outside its borders in Croatia and Bosnia.

More here... http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/08/news/serbia.php
>> And by the way, where were those “100,000 dead or missing Kosovars”? They were neither dead nor missing, it was all lies to get the US to intervene to fight their battles for them, costing us literally $Billions.

Had Milosevic nto thrown out all the journos we might have gotten better info. Last time when non-Serb men and women were separated they didn't end up that good in Arkan and Chetnik hands:

"... were beaten with iron bars and wooden poles, some of them killed by a pistol shot, some of them taken to the so-called investigation, into a room full of corpses and forced to tramp on the dead bodies. Some were executed in front of the school...bodies of those killed were butchered, with nose, ears, genitals cut off, or crosses being cut into them. Those witnesses also claim that while that was being done, they were forced to sing Chetnik songs. " (I left out the more graphic ones when fathers were forced to have sex with their sons out) More here

So if you want a medal for killing only 10,000 to 12,000 Albanians, or changing your mind int he middle, I am out of medals.

Here are some of them, coming for a 3 month "picnic" as Milosevic said. See it till the end. They managed to get their women to safety before Serb soldiers got them. Lucky despite the burned and looted houses from "Christian" Serbs.



>> Likewise, it doesn’t matter if the primary inhabitants of Kosovo are Albanians, it isn’t their private property, because it is sovereign Serbia. To argue otherwise is to argue “for Socialism & the rights of the masses”, and against Conservatism.

How nice of you to let the Albanians live in "your land." That "title" you got it in early 1900's in land with 75-80% Albanians (thanks to Russia and by starting a few wars) will be solved soon. You will get a lesson in International Politics and human rights. And we have seen your "conservative" and "Christian" values. No need to lecture us.

PLEASE stop posting misleading information or outright lies. You will be called on them. Thank you.
34 posted on 05/20/2008 3:00:34 PM PDT by old-and-old
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To: Bokababe

He’s an Albanian shill. Been here 3 weeks, will be gone by the end of the month. Hit-and-run.


69 posted on 05/25/2008 10:42:55 AM PDT by Banat (DEO + REGI + PATRIAE | Basileia Romaion)
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