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[Media says] You'll miss us when we're gone (compares bloggers to trolls)
The National Post ^ | August 06, 2008 | Jonathan Kay

Posted on 08/06/2008 2:39:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

With media stocks plummeting, a noisy army of pundits is predicting the imminent extinction of print newspapers and magazines. I hope they're wrong--for two reasons.

The obvious reason is self-interest: If freebie blogs and news aggregators kill off the National Post and its ilk, then I'm going to have to go back to my high school job, manning the drive-thru at McDonald's.

But I have a more noble reason, too: a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry. Not to be old-fashioned, but there are certain kinds of important stories that simply cannot be covered, except by deep-pocketed traditional media organizations employing professional journalists.

This thought struck me with particular force on Sunday, as I read "Malwebolence," Mattathias Schwartz's extraordinary article about Internet trolls in this week's issue of The New York Times Magazine.

You probably have met an Internet troll -- even if you don't know the term. They are the juvenile cretins who infest Internet message boards, taunting the earnest types chatting away about Gossip Girl, or Barack Obama, or Scientology. Their method is to post willfully ignorant, insulting messages, then sit back and enjoy the righteous, impotent fury aroused among the true believers.

Trolling is an inherently nihilistic activity -- which is why most trolls tend to be adolescent males, the sort of specimens who would otherwise entertain themselves by using bathroom graffiti to libel the sexual habits of high-school classmates. But there is a small elite that has turned trolling into a full-time calling. They congregate on anonymous Web sites such as 4chan.org, and informally tally the "lulz" they've earned by humiliating others.

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy sounds like one of those who commit suicide and leave a note telling the rest of us we’ll be sorry he’s gone.

Count me out.


21 posted on 08/06/2008 3:50:46 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: airborne
They chose to stop reporting the news impartially.

Man, they've even given up on literacy. In yesterday's "Daily Progress (guffaw!) of Charlottesville, the word "drug" was used as a perfect passive participle of the verb "to drag". "He was drug out of the house," (where "of the" is optional.)

They can't speak or write. They don't care to do research. They think impartiality is unattainable and truth non-existent.

A few weeks ago the headline and lead paragraphs of a story contradicted what was said a few paragraphs later. It's beyond a joke now.

22 posted on 08/06/2008 3:51:07 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No more Maureen Dowd, how could I live with myself?


23 posted on 08/06/2008 3:51:38 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You'll miss us when we're gone

OK maybe. Go away and give me about 20 years for it to sink in and I will let you know by then whether I miss you or not, deal?

24 posted on 08/06/2008 3:53:33 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“But I have a more noble reason, too: a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry. “

Seems to me, we’re sick of the lop-sided “education” we’ve been “receiving”. McDonald’s is a better employment opportunity choice for you. You can then go out and discover what trying to make a living is REALLY like.


25 posted on 08/06/2008 4:01:23 AM PDT by GWMcClintock (The last thing the US needs is B.O.!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Their method is to post willfully ignorant, insulting messages, then sit back and enjoy the righteous, impotent fury aroused among the true believers.

And now the author of this column sits back and awaits the fury aroused among the true believers. Sounds like he fits his own definition.

26 posted on 08/06/2008 4:07:10 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: airborne

This man took a good point and made it stupid. His example story of praise (the NYT troll story) could easily have been done by someone on their own.

But, he makes a mockery of a good point. We do need the old style media. We just need them to do what he claims they do — EDUCATE and inform. They currently do neither and that is why they are failing!


27 posted on 08/06/2008 4:07:45 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jonathan,
Sorry, but I haven’t read a hardcopy newspaper since 1990. The web is just fine and in the past 10 years it is even better with the advent of bloggers and easy access to conservative sites.


28 posted on 08/06/2008 4:08:44 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Int
Is impartiality doomed?

Not sure it ever really existed (or is necessary for that matter). What we are experiencing with the New Media is a refreshing honesty as to where the point of view is coming from.

Admitting one's bias allows the individual news gatherer to truly analyze the issue from different perspectives and to accept or reject the argument on its merits.

29 posted on 08/06/2008 4:12:23 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("My advice: Quit supporting the party that is symbolized by an ass." Ted Nugent)
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To: airborne
They chose to stop reporting the news impartially.

Exactly why they're in trouble.

30 posted on 08/06/2008 4:15:04 AM PDT by libertylover (You can't "Tylenol" your way out of arthritis either but it sure as hell helps to relieve the pain.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Miss you?.....all I need to do is go to DU and/or KOS to find out what I’m missing.....now if you did your jobs professionally and unbiased I might have a different opinion....


31 posted on 08/06/2008 4:16:59 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But I have a more noble reason, too: a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry. Not to be old-fashioned, but there are certain kinds of important stories that simply cannot be covered, except by deep-pocketed traditional media organizations employing professional journalists.

Such as the NYT??? Read the National Enquirer. NE at least objective, and I don't think in danger of going broke.

32 posted on 08/06/2008 4:17:37 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Int; Hi Heels
If either of you think that "the first rule of journalism is impartiality", you don't know much about the history of newspapers in this country.

Impartiality = never was, never will be. Period.

33 posted on 08/06/2008 4:18:11 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Watergate was the hi-tide mark

Nixon inspired several generations of narcissistic leftist journalists that developed into the rot we have today.

34 posted on 08/06/2008 4:26:36 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The media won’t go away, but it will be transformed. The result will be healthier, smaller, slimmer and more agile. Sort of like what happened to the defense industry in 1991-2000.


35 posted on 08/06/2008 4:27:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“you’ll miss us when we’re gone.”

sure. just as pravda and izvestia were missed by hard-core, self-appointed, brilliant intellectual party members.


36 posted on 08/06/2008 4:30:53 AM PDT by ripley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read leftist newspapers and come away with an impression that they embrace three major themes -

1) You’re stupid.

2) We hate you and your hard-earned wealth and natural liberties.

3) Get on your knees, slave, and be fitted for chains.

Did I miss any?


37 posted on 08/06/2008 4:34:51 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“altruistic desire for an educated citizenry...”

translation: “my desire for an indoctrinated and propagandized electorate would be frustrated. un-biased information would set the leftist movement behind...”


38 posted on 08/06/2008 4:36:36 AM PDT by ripley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To the author:

But I have a more noble reason, too: a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry.

Then why are you and so many mediots like you so astoundingly LIBERAL?

The media's job is to INFORM, not "educate", dirtbag. The bloggers are the only ones now that will present all sides - because they are willing to admit their point of view, not hide it behind a false veil of objectivity.

Now repeat after me, "Would you like that super-sized?"

39 posted on 08/06/2008 4:37:23 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: metesky
"If either of you think that "the first rule of journalism is impartiality", you don't know much about the history of newspapers in this country.

Impartiality = never was, never will be. Period.

I agree. The first rule of journalism either is, or ought to be, "Admit and state your bias up front" (instead of sneaking it into your reporting).

While we're on the subject, why does NBC have a "Political Director"? NBC has always had an unstated left wing bias in their reporting. Now, with a "Political Director", they are institutionalizing the bias within the organization. If media is going to have "Political Directors", they should have at least two, each with an opposing bias.

40 posted on 08/06/2008 4:41:43 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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