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David Frum to the Religious Right: Drop Dead
www.takimag.com ^ | November 05, 2008 | Tom Piatak

Posted on 11/07/2008 1:07:40 PM PST by Publius804

David Frum to the Religious Right: Drop Dead

Posted by Tom Piatak on November 05, 2008

After weeks of expressing contempt for the delcasse Sarah Palin, David Frum has now expressed his disdain for the voters who liked Palin and who have propelled the GOP to victory after victory since Reagan’s election in 1980, the evangelical Christians and conservative Catholics who vote Republican because of their concern over issues like abortion. According to Frum, such voters need to be jettisoned because “College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats--but their values are under threat from Republicans.”

To pursue the burgeoning yuppie class, “will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy and less polarizing on social issues.”

What Frum neglects to add is that none of these changes would be “painful” for him, a pro-abortion, non-religious denizen of a tony Washington neighborhood, who has long been uncomfortable with social issues and tolerated religious voters so long as they were willing to vote Republican without expecting much in return and serve as cannon fodder in the wars Frum wants America to fight, but now thinks he has found something better.

The question is, with National Review giving the boot to its founder’s son and Jeffrey Hart, why does it still keep Frum around? Is National Review, too, becoming embarrassed by religious conservatives? (Thanks to John Seiler for pointing out this latest revelation from David Frum).

(Excerpt) Read more at takimag.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; christianvote; conservatism; davidfrum; frum; mccain; moralabsolutes; religiousright; republicans
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To: AuntB

I be saying the same thing


121 posted on 11/07/2008 2:01:58 PM PST by uncbob
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To: bereanway
Well then it sounds like these college educated Americans have already found a home with the dims if they agree with them on economic issues and at the same time dislike pubbie values. To accept Frum’s argument, what’s the point in even keeping the Republican party around?

Now that the GOP appears in trouble, in the coming months watch for the neo-con ticks to start hopping back over to the democrat party. No use hanging onto a sick host when there's a perfectly healthy one to be sucked off of.

122 posted on 11/07/2008 2:02:17 PM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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To: Ohioan

Wow a link to prodigy.net. Takes me way, way back.


123 posted on 11/07/2008 2:02:27 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

LCS—I moved from NJ in 2006 to get away from the high taxes and the terminally stupid people who kept voting in Democrats. I’m in Southern Delaware in Sussex County, which is a red county, thank God, composed of decent people.I have Senator Moron and Senator Me-Too(otherwise known as Biden and Carper) and a RINO Congressman, Mike Castle.

The good news is that the Republican candidate for Senate against Biden, who got no help from the GOP, no money either, nothing, campaigning on a shoestring, got 35% of the vote with the invincible Biden got only 65%. That is huge here in DE.

Again the feckless GOP couldn’t support any Senate candidates and thus, gain seats. Nope, wouldn’t be prudent.

As far as the costs, don’t you think that energizing the base with a new party, the money would be there? are their no conservative businessmen or people of means that could helpful? Do it once and get it going.

My point is, like in NJ, why do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?

I believe that is the definition of insanity.


124 posted on 11/07/2008 2:06:13 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: Publius804

The first time I saw Frum was on Sissy Matthews show about 11 years ago. He was a complete dork, and the whole panel(including some real conservatives) didn’t hide their laughter whenever he spoke. That was the last I saw of him for awhile. I was pretty surprised when I saw him turn up as part of Dubya’s campaign. Too bad he didn’t slide into the obscurity that he deserves.


125 posted on 11/07/2008 2:07:07 PM PST by Palin4ever
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Leisler; AuntB
"P.S. -- Please send more money."

P.P.S. --- We don't need you anyway, 'cuz we're going to replace you with all the illegal aliens we amnesty...sure only 23% of Latinos voted for us this time around, but after the amnesty , their number will soar to 25%!

126 posted on 11/07/2008 2:08:14 PM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Remember that was reason #1.

Frum shouldn't let the door hit him in his ass as he flees from us social conservatives.

127 posted on 11/07/2008 2:09:31 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I didn’t leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me...

k.


128 posted on 11/07/2008 2:11:08 PM PST by kamaaina
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To: Publius804
Taki Mag also gave us the term Frumbag (at least that is where I first saw it).

The perfect term for these limp-wristed turncoat "conservatives.

129 posted on 11/07/2008 2:13:44 PM PST by evilC
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To: Publius804

Is Frum telling Sarah Palin to drop dead.


130 posted on 11/07/2008 2:17:48 PM PST by Carley (Vote McCain/Palin.....Change babies can live with.)
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To: Publius804

New prediction:

Hillary will become a Republican and run against Obama as a centrist in 2012.

Bookmark this post.


131 posted on 11/07/2008 2:18:49 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: E. Cartman; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Leisler; AuntB
".P.S. --- We don't need you anyway, 'cuz we're going to replace you with all the illegal aliens we amnesty...sure only 23% of Latinos voted for us this time around, but after the amnesty , their number will soar to 25%! "

Besides, I can get them in my gated community( Americans out, illegals in. In to mow, cut, wash, clean, wipe, paint.....) Lovely people. Never complain, no voting questions, just...just ideal. We we had more of them. Salt of the earth type. Did you know they call me 'Patron'? I love it when them cute little buggers do that. Also, when I leave the house, one opens the car door and the others take their hats off and look at their feet. That's the way to go to a to a RNC party I tell you!)

132 posted on 11/07/2008 2:20:25 PM PST by Leisler (Obama is going to give us all Unicorns!)
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To: eleni121
Secular/Cultural Jews (like their counterparts in the “Christian” world) hate practicing and outspoken Christians.

Almost as much as they hate practicing and outspoken Jews.

133 posted on 11/07/2008 2:21:18 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: exit82
I'm in Florida now, politics is better, although we lost to Obama and my own local new congresscritter is a code pink supporter. In the US system there is no room for a third party. The only way a new party can form is if an old one ceases to run candidates. The last time that happened was 154 years ago. Since then the only way to change policies is to join an existing party, and ally yourself with other party members to change the party's policies. That has happened on numerous occasions in both parties over the period. One way that happens is the supporters of one sort of policies retire or die and are replaced by either the other party or by the new members of their own party. In our current situation we have see the loss of many more liberal Republicans in the last several cycles, leaving the residual party much more conservative. As far as a lasting taint on the Republican name is concerned, if former associations were permanent, blacks would be Republicans, and southerners would be Democrats. The party is merely a legal structure to be used.
134 posted on 11/07/2008 2:22:54 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: Publius804

The world will hate you because of me. My kingdom is not of this world.


135 posted on 11/07/2008 2:23:25 PM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: Alberta's Child

You and Liz still don’t like my boy Rudy, huh? He would have kicked Obama’s ass.


136 posted on 11/07/2008 2:25:28 PM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: Publius804

I’m a college graduate with post-graduate work, and I have NEVER thought my money would be safer with Democrats. David Frum is an imbecile, and whenever he speaks something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.


137 posted on 11/07/2008 2:26:53 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
RNC die-hards are a whole lot like Grace slick at Woodstock: they're generally tripping out of their minds on some damned thing or another, and their babblings are all 110% gibberish. ;)

FWIW, this is the predictable outcome of an election like this. The need for a scapegoat overrides any intellectual honesty among people like Frum. On the other side of the aisle, they are spinning furiously to blame the Prop 8 defeat not on the black vote, but "religious-types". On our side of the aisle - guess what - it's the "religious-types" who are getting blamed for the GOP platform not appealing to enough voters. You could almost - ALMOST - hear Frum utter the words "clingy" and "bitter".

So, in my opinion, if we're going to go to war with the GOP establishment, we need to do it now, while there's time to rebuild the foundation for 2012. A split party won't do anything but get Obama re-elected. If Frum and company are going to try and throw us overboard, better we do it to them first. Take no prisoners.

138 posted on 11/07/2008 2:27:07 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
So, in my opinion, if we're going to go to war with the GOP establishment, we need to do it now, while there's time to rebuild the foundation for 2012.

There's not a single, solitary aspect of anything you just wrote with which I could conceivably disagree.

You're right, and righter than right.

139 posted on 11/07/2008 2:30:14 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Publius804
” such voters need to be jettisoned because “College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats—but their values are under threat from Republicans.”

Well, if they believe their money is safe with Democrats, they don't have any values, and they most definitely aren't educated, no matter how many colleges they've been to.

140 posted on 11/07/2008 2:30:33 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 3)
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