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NASA's curious climate capers ( Computer Models say it is warming....?)
The Register (UK) ^ | Evan Jones

Posted on 11/20/2008 10:10:03 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: All; ValerieTexas; Eric in the Ozarks; bamahead; Carley; jpl; ShiveringShegetz; Sherman Logan; ...
Hansen and Crew take another hit!

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Found this at Drudge....Cornell University Study:

Global warming predictions are overestimated, suggests study on black carbon

A detailed analysis of black carbon -- the residue of burned organic matter -- in computer climate models suggests that those models may be overestimating global warming predictions.

A new Cornell study, published online in Nature Geosciences, quantified the amount of black carbon in Australian soils and found that there was far more than expected, said Johannes Lehmann, the paper's lead author and a Cornell professor of biogeochemistry. The survey was the largest of black carbon ever published.

As a result of global warming, soils are expected to release more carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere, which, in turn, creates more warming. Climate models try to incorporate these increases of carbon dioxide from soils as the planet warms, but results vary greatly when realistic estimates of black carbon in soils are included in the predictions, the study found.

Soils include many forms of carbon, including organic carbon from leaf litter and vegetation and black carbon from the burning of organic matter. It takes a few years for organic carbon to decompose, as microbes eat it and convert it to carbon dioxide. But black carbon can take 1,000-2,000 years, on average, to convert to carbon dioxide.

By entering realistic estimates of stocks of black carbon in soil from two Australian savannas into a computer model that calculates carbon dioxide release from soil, the researchers found that carbon dioxide emissions from soils were reduced by about 20 percent over 100 years, as compared with simulations that did not take black carbon's long shelf life into account.

The findings are significant because soils are by far the world's largest source of carbon dioxide, producing 10 times more carbon dioxide each year than all the carbon dioxide emissions from human activities combined. Small changes in how carbon emissions from soils are estimated, therefore, can have a large impact.

"We know from measurements that climate change today is worse than people have predicted," said Lehmann. "But this particular aspect, black carbon's stability in soil, if incorporated in climate models, would actually decrease climate predictions."

The study quantified the amount of black carbon in 452 Australian soils across two savannas. Black carbon content varied widely, between zero and more than 80 percent, in soils across Australia.

"It's a mistake to look at soil as one blob of carbon," said Lehmann. "Rather, it has different chemical components with different characteristics. In this way, soil will interact differently to warming based on what's in it."

21 posted on 11/20/2008 10:58:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Publius6961
When computer "models data" challenge the validity of direct observations, even the densest moonbat kool-aid drinker must begin to have nagging doubts about the entire debate.

One would think so.

Personally, I'm expecting laws criminalizing private ownership of outdoor thermometers, or dissemination of outdoor temperature data that does not agree with the predictions of "computer models."

Look for subtle changes in the wording of your local weather report. Instead of giving the current temperature, they will call it the "apparent temperature."

22 posted on 11/20/2008 11:06:35 AM PST by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Islander7; avacado; steelyourfaith; NewLand; sobieski
From the Keyword list....more detail on the A surreal scientific blunder ( words used in the report from the UK Telegraph) of Hansen and Crew...from the keyword list NASA

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The world has never seen such freezing heat

23 posted on 11/20/2008 11:08:00 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
In addition to garbage-in, garbage-out problems concerning computer climate models, the following article reflects that such models are crude to begin with. In other words, interpreting these models is arguably still more of an art than a science, heaven forbid "inadvertently" subjective interpretations of these models.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page1.php

24 posted on 11/20/2008 11:34:31 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide - Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball

"It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

25 posted on 11/20/2008 11:54:28 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Amendment10

Thanks for the link to an informative article.


26 posted on 11/20/2008 11:56:09 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All; TaraP; ETL
This Thread includes embedded info on the Sun's activity :

Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object

See post #6.

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100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

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I wonder if the Models include any allowance for more than just the Sun's Rays?

27 posted on 11/20/2008 12:13:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
Recent FR Threads on the Cornell study:

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Global warming predictions are overestimated, suggests study on black carbon ^

 
11/19/2008 2:58:38 PM PST · by decimon · 25 replies · 380+ views
Cornell University ^ | Nov. 18, 2008 | Krishna Ramanujan
 

Global warming predictions are overestimated, suggests study on black carbon (Cornell University) ^
 
11/19/2008 5:09:33 PM PST · by Behind Liberal Lines · 34 replies · 660+ views
Cornell Chronicle ^ | Nov. 18, 2008 | By Krishna Ramanujan

28 posted on 11/20/2008 12:18:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All; Sub-Driver; MrB; rabscuttle385; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; camle; skimask; ...
And there is this FR Thread,...posted Nov 12:

Earth may face freeze worse than Ice Age--study

29 posted on 11/20/2008 12:37:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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And the website:

Not by Fire but by Ice

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New Study Finds Greenland Ice Melt 'not changing' or 'dropping'
3 Jul 08 - A new Dutch study of 17 years of satellite measurements of ice movement in western Greenland concludes that the speedup of the ice is a transient summertime phenomenon.
See New Study Finds Greenland Ice Melt 'not changing' or 'dropping

30 posted on 11/20/2008 12:42:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Blinding snow Greenland, blizzard strikes Baffin Island - 18 Nov 08
Blizzards and freezing gales forecast for UK this weekend
- 18 Nov 08
Temps in Andalucia, Spain, already down to -1 to -5C - 18 Nov 08
Queensland Hit by Worse Storms in 25 Years - 18 Nov 08
See What's Happening in Other Parts of the World..
31 posted on 11/20/2008 12:44:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Bill Dupray; Brian S. Fitzgerald; FormerACLUmember
And another FR Thread...regarding the October Warming...error

Photo from the thread:

Global Warming Experts: Hottest October Ever (Because We Used September Temperatures)

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Major, major hoax by Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore’s chief scientific charlatan, Dr James Hansen.


32 posted on 11/20/2008 12:50:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: blam

This clown is younger than me and perhaps you....


33 posted on 11/20/2008 12:53:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Photo above of Dr Hansen.....


34 posted on 11/20/2008 12:54:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Soils include many forms of carbon, including organic carbon from leaf litter and vegetation and black carbon from the burning of organic matter. It takes a few years for organic carbon to decompose, as microbes eat it and convert it to carbon dioxide. But black carbon can take 1,000-2,000 years, on average, to convert to carbon dioxide."

Forest fires prevent global warming???? Who'da thunk it??

35 posted on 11/20/2008 1:12:42 PM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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Hansen has been an important figure in the global warming scam. Thanks Ernest.


36 posted on 11/20/2008 3:05:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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Thanks Val. Global warming is the new Lysenkoism.


37 posted on 11/20/2008 3:06:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

38 posted on 11/20/2008 3:09:41 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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Catastrophism
 
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic ·
 

39 posted on 11/20/2008 3:14:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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Global warming predictions are overestimated,
suggests study on black carbon (Cornell University)
Cornell Chronicle | Nov. 18, 2008 | By Krishna Ramanujan
Posted on 11/19/2008 5:09:33 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2134998/posts


40 posted on 11/20/2008 3:48:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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