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1 posted on 01/21/2009 4:28:12 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Gary Sides, a cattle nutritionist for Pfizer Animal Health"

Okay... not our best spokesman.

2 posted on 01/21/2009 4:31:18 PM PST by Dacus943
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To: neverdem
If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks every apprx 11 yrs) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".-ETL


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From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm
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It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all. /s

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun (the sun isn't getting warmer) but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a couple of yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now -the next sunspot max is expected in about 2011 or 2012), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level, sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field deflects incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube (old-time television tube) or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-ETL
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There's an excellent new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing this theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm
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And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate
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From a well-referenced wikipedia.com column (see wiki link for ref 14):
"Sunspot numbers over the past 11,400 years have been reconstructed using dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. The level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional — the last period of similar magnitude occurred over 8,000 years ago. The Sun was at a similarly high level of magnetic activity for only ~10% of the past 11,400 years, and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode.[14]"

[14] ^Solanki, Sami K.; Usoskin, Ilya G.; Kromer, Bernd; Schüssler, Manfred & Beer, Jürg (2004), “Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years”, Nature 431: 1084–1087, doi:10.1038/nature02995, . Retrieved on 17 April 2007 , "11,000 Year Sunspot Number Reconstruction". Global Change Master Directory. Retrieved on 2005-03-11.


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"Reconstruction of solar activity over 11,400 years. Period of equally high activity over 8,000 years ago marked.
Present period is on [the right]. Values since 1900 not shown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
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From NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory's "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section:

Q-Does the number of sunspots have any effect on the climate here on Earth?

A-Sunspots are slightly cooler areas on the surface of the Sun, due to the intense magnetic fields, so they radiate a little less energy than the surroundings. However, there are usually nearby areas associated with the sunspots that are a little hotter (called falculae), and they more than compensate. The result is that there is a little bit more radiation coming from the Sun when it has more sunspots, but the effect is so small that it has very little impact on the weather and climate on Earth.

However, there are more important indirect effects: sunspots are associated with what we call "active regions", with large magnetic structures containing very hot material (being held in place by the magnetism). This causes more ultraviolet (or UV) radiation (the rays that give you a suntan or sunburn), and extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV). These types of radiation have an impact on the chemistry of the upper atmosphere (e.g. producing ozone). Since some of these products act as greenhouse gases, the number of sunspots (through association with active regions) may influence the climate in this way.

Many active regions produce giant outflows of material that are called Coronal Mass Ejections. These ejections drag with them some of the more intense magnetic fields that are found in the active regions. The magnetic fields act as a shield for high-energy particles coming from various sources in our galaxy (outside the solar system). These "cosmic rays" (CRs) cause ionization of molecules in the atmosphere, and thereby can cause clouds to form (because the ionized molecules or dust particle can act as "seeds" for drop formation).

If clouds are formed very high in the atmosphere, the net result is a heating of the Earth - it acts as a "blanket" that keeps warmth in.

If clouds are formed lower down in the atmosphere, they reflect sunlight better than they keep heat inside, so the net result is cooling. Which processes are dominant is still a matter of research.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/classroom/notsofaq.html#SUNSPOT_CLIMATE
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NASA graph of sunspot activity over the past 400 years [note the profound lack of sunspot activity during the "Little Ice Age" period (apprx 1650-1720), AND the sharp INCREASE particularly during the past 60 years:

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/images/ssn_yearly.jpg

4 posted on 01/21/2009 4:37:48 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: neverdem

Where’s Sam Kennison to yell “If it’s getting hotter maybe it has something to do with THE F@&%ING SUN! You know that GIANT F$&#ING NUCLEAR-REACTOR OF FIRE IN THE SKY!! The REALLY F$#@ING GIGANTIC one, the SIZE OF A MILLION F&#%ING EARTHS that burns at 5000 F&$%ING DEGREES, the only things that separates us from 500 DEGREES BELOW F#%&ING ZERO!!!! The one will eventually SUCK US INTO IT’S F&#%ING GRAVITY and BURN US INTO A FLAMING RADIOACTIVE HELL!!!!”


6 posted on 01/21/2009 4:47:57 PM PST by sanchmo
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To: neverdem; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; Fiddlstix; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 01/21/2009 4:49:16 PM PST by steelyourfaith (It's high time for the B.O. Impeachment proceedings to begin.)
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To: neverdem
We could modify one of the remaining Space Shuttles ala Airplane II. I will programm the computer and we can send Al gore on a fact finding mission.

(I will send it crashing into a sunspot and we can give Al Gore a postumous Medal of Bravery!)

13 posted on 01/21/2009 5:17:22 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: neverdem

btt


14 posted on 01/21/2009 5:18:39 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

Obviously, he’s most likely right about the correlation with sunspots. He might be incorrect on the mini ice age, though. The next max is expected in a year or two.

IMO, the shrill hysteria in reactions from both sides is due to pecuniary interests. Let it get warmer then colder again later on. People and animals don’t cause global warming any more than methane assures that there is life on Mars (which has also warmed with more sunspot activity).


15 posted on 01/21/2009 5:19:43 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...
Gary Sides, a cattle nutritionist for Pfizer Animal Health
...yeah, that's right. :') He isn't the only one, of course.
 
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16 posted on 01/21/2009 5:48:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: neverdem
Hundreds appear at a global warming protest...

17 posted on 01/21/2009 5:54:31 PM PST by Outland (Are we doomed to repeat history? So when do we stop typing and start doing something?)
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To: neverdem

The scientist obviously has it backwards. Fossil fuel is not only causing the earth to heat up, it is reaching the sun and increasing the sunspot activity.


21 posted on 01/21/2009 6:50:01 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: neverdem
that is impossible, how can they tax the sun !

Global warming simply cannot be the sun's fault

28 posted on 01/21/2009 11:33:20 PM PST by KTM rider (keep thy powder dry, gird thy loins, and brace for the winds of change)
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To: neverdem
Current view of the sun. Sunspots appear as dark spots in the picture. Or would, if there were any...


29 posted on 01/22/2009 6:53:19 AM PST by green iguana
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To: neverdem

Cool real-time views of the sun are at this link:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/realtime-update.html

A monthly listing of sunspot numbers going back to 1750 is here:

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/greenwch/spot_num.txt


30 posted on 01/22/2009 6:54:11 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Interesting Times

Ping!


33 posted on 01/22/2009 8:35:47 AM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: neverdem
...without modern tractors and other farm machinery, fertilizers, pesticides and medicines, crop and livestock production would plunge so far that a third of the world’s population could face starvation.

A hard truth...

35 posted on 01/22/2009 10:40:42 AM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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