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To: allmendream

So you think that the unguided random mutation, natural selection process of evolution is superior to God creating something?

If it’s *incompetent design* when it’s created, why is it a superior method when it just happens?

If the system is so flawed that it doesn’t qualify as intelligent design and that it’s idiotic, doesn’t that mean that evolution is just as idiotic? It’s all the same stuff we’re looking at. Evolution is a great explanation but design isn’t?


55 posted on 02/09/2009 4:35:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
The specific claims of Behe and “irreducible complexity”, so far the totality of the intellectual output from the Discovery Institute (completely discredited I might add, his flagship flagella reduces to a system for secreting toxins quite well), is that things evolve, but the basic structures could not have developed without a ‘helping hand’ from an ‘intelligent designer’.

This means that, according to I.D., there is evolution, but it is not sufficient to actually make any novel molecular biological systems.

This means that the according to I.D. mechanism in place that explains changes in living systems (the evolution we can observe and measure every day in the lab) is somehow not sufficient to actually acomplish anything without direct intelligent intervention. This is, of course, complete rubbish, as nylon digesting bacteria and citris digesting e.coli can attest; and as the type II secretory system makes abundantly clear about the flagella.

Thus I.D. posits an “incompetent designer” in my mind, because the system put in place is insufficient to the task at hand.

It is exactly analogous to explaining the insufficiency of gravity to account for the cohesion of the universe with Angels rather than “dark matter”; and then demanding that Physicist give equal time to the “Angel explanation”.

No doubt God has a simple and elegant solution to account for “dark matter”, but “Angels” is not and never will be a scientific explanation.

59 posted on 02/09/2009 4:49:00 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: metmom

That’s what I don’t get about libs....they demand that God can only create a perfect system as they alone seem to be capable of understanding it, but have zero to measure perfection up against but their own ideas, and from where they get these ideas...only GOD KNOWS!

THEN, as if that’s not bad enough for them, they sometimes claim to be Christians but completely dismiss the fall!


69 posted on 02/09/2009 6:42:31 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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