Posted on 02/26/2009 2:30:52 PM PST by BGHater
It's protectionism, say Indian critics, that Congress has banned companies receiving bailout money from hiring foreigners on H-1B visas
With the economies in the U.S. and India both struggling and with unemployment rising,the outsourcing of American jobs to Indian workers has become an even more explosive issue. That's leading business leaders,politicians,and ordinary citizens in both countries to focus on a controversial visa program,the H-1B, that allows a limited number of foreigners to work at U.S. companies for up to six years. Critics have long claimed the program allows high-paying software-writing and engineering jobs at companies and state governments to go to foreigners.
On Feb. 23,the H-1B critics got a new round of ammunition. Data released by the U.S. Citizen & Immigration Services showed that in 2008,for the second year running, many of these visas went to Indian IT services companies that were sending engineers to the U.S. temporarily to work. In effect, a visa that had been designed for U.S. corporations to remain competitive at a time of talent shortage had become a blessing for the U.S. operations of global Indian companies, allowing them to send engineers from India, rather than hiring locally.
The news comes at a time when many Indians already suspect the U.S. is trying to put a squeeze on the country's successful outsourcing industry. Each year, the American government hands out 65,000 H-1B visas, and Indian engineers receive many of them. However, as part of President Obama's economic stimulus package, Congress passed provisions to bar any U.S. company that receives bailout dollars from directly hiring workers on these H-1B visas.
Fueling India's Diaspora
In India, there has been a swift outcry. "This is just irrational protectionism," says Montek Singh Ahluwalia, deputy chairman of India's Planning Commission. "It makes no economic sense at all."
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I’m not educated on the process enough to have an opinion on the numbers for these visas, but I don’t like India inserting itself into our political process. Can they? Sure. Do I like them telling us what to do? NO.
Hey, it’s a tempest in a teapot.
The H1 policy was started by BushOne, and enthusiastically supported by Clinton and BushTwo. The focus is on India, but other nations benefit, Irishmen on Cape Cod, Poles in Maine.....
As it is, research, and not only services are moving to places like India, and while that is not remotely any threat to American innovation currently, America should at least be aware that innovations from say GE Labs in India might start having an impact soon, like the recent cheap laptop and the neoCar, ($2500 a pop) by Tata.
I am ignorant? You are the one who launched into a tirade when I asked you how you are able to tell when someone is of lower caste and someone is not? Answer the question instead of exploding your sorry ass and making it clear what an insecure fool with a loud mouth you are. FYI, I am Indian. I believe I have enough knowledge to more than just comment on the subject. And FYI, Gandu = Ass (like the hind-side - derriere). You chose a very appropriate login name.
AND NO!!! CASTE IS NOT EQUAL TO CLASS - There are poor Brahmins and super rich people of the Scheduled Caste. You have NO KNOWLEDGE, NO STANDING and NO BASIS to comment on India’s caste system. SO STFU.
That's what I said: Caste =/= class.
You were couching my comments as if they were some sort of class warfare socialism thing and they are not. क्षमा- माफी चाहता/ चाहती हुँ
I have no problem with intelligent immigrants to the U.S. but that era ended with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which allowed unlimited chain migration of the world's underclass.
Here is what I am trying to say.
Giving American companies special permission to undercut the labor market by issuing special visas is wrong.
LEGAL Immigration by the world's best and brightest to the U.S. is A-Ok with me.
BUT, the era of "the world's best and brightest" coming to the U.S. to become Americans IS OVER.
Unlimited chain migration of the world's underclass and illegal immigration along with nobody wanting to become an American has pretty much f**ked us all.
Is that clear?
Look, english is my second language but other than sending you a crayon drawing...I can't make it any clearer.
THE H1B program is a joke, its a scam and it should have died a long time ago, 65000 is more than enough visas for legitimate needs. Companies however don’t use it legitimately they abuse it and cheat.
The H1B is to white collar what the illegal immigrant is to blue collar, pure and simple.
So, you have two issues.
One is the illegals, who don’t compete with H1 type jobs, perhaps in the tourist industry on some of the other work visas.
Second, intelligence, if the H1 by itself isn’t at least an indicator of technical skills(your opinion may vary depending upon the particular vagaries of h1 bodyshop salesmanship), then these are pretty much the very people you want.
Check out the makeup of PhD level employment in America, many of them are foreigners who found their skills very lucrative in the USA, they were allowed entry often through an H1.
Not a mindless free immigration type myself, my career got outsourced during the first REPUBLICAN instigated wave of outsourcing when BushOne began the H1 program.
It was all rubberstamping then, I know, because I moved into the bodyshop business from being a mainframe systems techtype.
My point is we don't need the H1b program. It is just a way to undercut the local domestic pool.
I'd want the smart people to come to the U.S. to stay and become Americans.
No skin off my back.
I’m absolutely a neutral on the H1 issue.
Many, however, do stay and eventually get naturalized.
Heck, the originial impetus for the H1B program was because Americans were making too much money and software salaries were skyrocketing in the 80’s.
BushOne said it was a crisis, the Indians sold guys like GE’s Jack Welch and others on programmers from India, and voila, a flood of Indians in America by the early 90’s.
Chain migration really is a big part of the problem.
I don’t know if it can change policy.
Dear Gandu,
>>Welcome to dealing with Indians. The lower caste people are generally just fine, but the upper tiers of their social order are arrogant bastards in the extreme.
Oooh. Someone’s burning away inside I see. All that hate, daubed with generalizations, dripping with racism, sans sufficient understanding of the subject to be mouthed off on.... smella of Pakiness.
Tch tch, and what for Gandu? Such a sorry attitude shall merely affect your own precious health, Gandu.
>>but see they have to establish their superiority over you so getting you to kiss their ass is the point.
Attaboy, Gandu. Seems Gandu’s been kissing yindian a$$ bigtime. Hence, the burning passion to hit back by mouthing off any inanities that may come to mind.
You go, Gandu! I’ll cheer your noble effort in what small way moi can.
May the Lord bless you, Gandu.
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