[screaminsunshine]

It is now negotiable. Depending on your carbon credits.

[tallyhoe]

Seattle was 3 degrees cooler in all 2008 on average!

[Kent C]

Good article but I have problems with two statements:

both sides of the issue usually by writers or politicians, with no scientific background, "interpreting" volumes of data gathered by true scientists.

Perhaps this is true in some cases but the data gathered by named scientists (ie. probably not what he means as 'true scientists', but scientists nonetheless) has been proven to be cooked either by the methods of collection (esp. temp data) or by 'steering' historic data by interpolation from computer models and in some cases, just changing the actual data to fit the politics.

Without question, man's use of fire (wood), dating from 1.5 million years ago; coal, from about 3000 years ago; and petroleum for the last 150 years have contributed to the most recent cycle of warming.

1. This is not 'without question'. In fact there are many scientist questioning this conclusion or questioning the baseline upon which this conclusion is made. The 'political' scientists that create the trend, cherry pick the starting point and now, since we've been cooling for the last 10 years, the end point as well.

2. Related to the above many actual scientists refute the "150 year cycle of warming". Giving this just 'buys into' the "Green's" premise and frankly there is no reason and no evidence to state categorically that this is the case.

I know that this is Bjorn Lomborg's position and while he may actually think this is the case, those who take this approach for 'diplomatic' intent so as to appear 'reasonable' and therefore in a position to compromise may get invited to the right parties in Washington among those who are tinted Green by their poltics, but they will find themselves as much of an enemy of the ideological Greens as Chris Horner, the late Michael Crichton, et. al.

[kenth]

Here’s the way I see it. The sun varies the earth’s temperature by 10s of degrees on a daily basis. We have supposedly varied it by a degree or two over how many years? The sun wins in its ability to control our climate.

One other thing that I believe to correlate, very few sunspots last year until now and we had a very mild summer and a cold winter for far longer than the last few years.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

/mark

[harpu]

up for later...

[Rebelbase]

Heretic!

[steelyourfaith]

Great article.

 

Beam Me to Planet Gore !

[Techster]

bttt

[dfwgator]

The late George Carlin said it best:

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!

[SunkenCiv]

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[LiteKeeper]

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