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To: Thermalseeker
"I wonder if this desperation is to justify their funding, or if they know this spells the end to the "globull warming" movement because it will usher has ushered in dramatic, planet wide cooling, or ???"

There, fixed that. ;-)

See icecap.us for more information. The short version is that sea levels haven't risen detectably in three years, the ARGO buoys don't find any ocean heating (80% of the heat should be in the oceans), and global sea ice is above normal - the arctic is slightly low, but the antarctic is well above normal.

As to the global warming claims from NASA, the "deep solar minimum" article linked from the first sentence of this current article contains this line:

"The changes so far are not enough to reverse the course of global warming,"

To which I'll say three things:

1) This is a classic case of a "non-climatologist" making climatological pronouncements, which is often derided from the other direction.
2) The mechanism for cooling during the other minima is not understood, it's not thought that the radiance changes referred to here were sufficient. So, it is ignorant to claim that we know whether or not the changes are sufficient to "reverse" global warming. And of course, none of the heating could be random, natural variation right?
3) The real world doesn't seem to be cooperating with their view of things. ;-)

13 posted on 05/25/2009 6:25:09 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
See icecap.us for more information.

Yes, I'm aware. I certainly do not believe anthropogenic global warming is occurring, and, in fact, the earth has been in a cooling spell since the late 90's, However, I don't think we've seen "dramatic" global cooling quite yet, either. The sun spot issue certainly has my attention raised, though.

Words have meaning and we have to be careful how we describe what is happening so that we don't appear to be raving moonbats on the order of the Warmers. Dramatic cooling, IMHO, would be something like snow in June in Tennessee. Speaking as a pilot and a student of the weather for more than 30 years what we are currently experiencing isn't nearly far enough removed from "average" to remotely be considered "dramatic".....it's just "weather".....

15 posted on 05/25/2009 6:39:17 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Flush Congress in 2010)
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