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HOW LIFE WORKS (immutable laws of life point to Creation/Intelligent Design)
Journal of Creation ^ | Alex Williams

Posted on 07/25/2009 10:11:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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For some background to better understand the paper above, please consider the following articles by the same author:

Life’s irreducible structure—Part 1: autopoiesis

Life’s irreducible structure—Part 2: naturalistic objections

Astonishing DNA complexity demolishes neo-Darwinism

Facilitated variation: A new paradigm emerges in biology

Mutations: evolution’s engine becomes evolution’s end!

1 posted on 07/25/2009 10:11:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: betty boop; LTCJ; allmendream; DevNet; grey_whiskers; ElectricStrawberry; Caramelgal; xcamel; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/25/2009 10:13:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 07/25/2009 10:15:32 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; LTCJ

PS This is the paper I was referring to re: universal laws of life.

All the best—GGG


4 posted on 07/25/2009 10:16:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“and survives only because it has a built-in facilitated variation mechanism for continually adapting to internal and external challenges and changes.”

So evolution doesn’t exist, but variation and adaption to challenge and change does.

Fascinating.


5 posted on 07/25/2009 10:27:27 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is there anything in the paper you disagree with?


6 posted on 07/25/2009 10:44:52 AM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande

Other than it being a pile of pabulum and strawmen, I guess not.

It’s actually quite nice to see the creationist author concede all the main points of the argument, and then deny the conclusion.


7 posted on 07/25/2009 10:54:24 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: mike-zed
Can you share with us what part is the “pabulum and strawmen”?
8 posted on 07/25/2009 11:00:43 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Unfortunately it’s a pdf and I can’t cut/paste. Provide me a text version and I can start.


9 posted on 07/25/2009 11:12:05 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: count-your-change

Unfortunately it’s a pdf and I can’t cut/paste. Provide me a text version and I can start.


10 posted on 07/25/2009 11:12:12 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: mike-zed; GodGunsGuts
It’s actually quite nice to see the creationist author concede all the main points of the argument, and then deny the conclusion.

Yes, he tacitly agreed with the central origin of life, evolution from that origin, ages of evolution, age of the earth, etc, etc. His only seeming disagreement with TOE goes back billions of years. GGG must not of read the PDF, because GGG thinks the world was created in 5000 bc.

The word I think you were thinking of was pablum.

11 posted on 07/25/2009 11:13:54 AM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande

There is pablum and pabulum.

Similar words with similar meanings. Either works.


12 posted on 07/25/2009 11:17:57 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: mike-zed
Sure, no problem. Just pull up the article in pdf., copy to wordpad and you can cut and paste at will.
13 posted on 07/25/2009 11:28:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

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14 posted on 07/25/2009 11:37:52 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: count-your-change

“Neo-Darwinists proposed that natural variation occurred
primarily via mutation of genetic information. However,
recent discoveries show that mutations are accidental
damage events and are sending us all to extinction on a
remarkably short time scale due to what appears to be the
universally deleterious effects of these mutations.”

We’re all going to die “on a remarkably short time scale” due to genetic variations?

Strawman.

It sounds like the Al Gore could have wrote this.


15 posted on 07/25/2009 11:46:11 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: mike-zed
Then the what you what you call a strawman is the statement that mutations with their deleterious effects, what the author describes as “accidental damage events”, are sending us to extinction?

How a strawman, something set up to be easily knocked down?

16 posted on 07/25/2009 11:55:58 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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“Despite life’s marvels, it all dies. Why? Theologically,
because of the Fall—Adam and Eve’s sin brought death into
a perfect world.5 The biological question then is ‘How?’,
and we shall see later that the answer is ‘mutations’. “

Another strawman.

No creature needs to live forever. Just enough to propogate.

People die of cancer, sure. And serious malformation due to mutated DNA can be fatal.

But there are positive mutations of DNA. Just think MRSA. Not positive for us, but they seem happier that your average Staphylococcus aureus.

But those are just “variations”, of course. Not that evil evolution.


17 posted on 07/25/2009 11:57:27 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: count-your-change

I’ve managed to propagate a new generation of little mike-zeds. Who carry my genetic material and their mother’s, possibly mutated somewhat, but free to propagate their own offspring.

No tragic mutations killing off me, my kids, my family, or anyone I know.

Perhaps people are mutating and dropping dead in your circle at a rate which prevents their propagation. Hopefully, not.


18 posted on 07/25/2009 12:08:09 PM PDT by mike-zed
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To: mike-zed
I was attempting to get to the heart of your reasoning in calling the article “pabulum and strawmen’. It appears that from your own experiences, having children that will presumably do so also, even with mutations, you reach your conclusion.

I don't think anywhere in the article it was stated that people were dropping over around us from mutations around us. But is that all?

19 posted on 07/25/2009 12:32:07 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mike-zed
Yes, did you catch that, "built in facilitated variation mechanism." As such, the variation mechanism must be in place before facilitated variation can take place. As such, it is a MUCH, MUCH stronger argument FOR Creation/Intelligent Design.
20 posted on 07/25/2009 12:46:43 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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