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To: GodGunsGuts; colorado tanker; stanz; sickoflibs; Alamo-Girl

Best scientific answers coalesce when one observes, measures, replicates by experiment, and computes formulas for phenomenon. Examinations for many physical events have not reached this four-fold rationality.

One example is String Theory, or the “theory of everything”; everything for atomic, micro-processes. Elegant mathematical models utilize eleven dimensions to unify gravitational, electromagnetic, and nuclear strong and weak forces. Here is computation without experiment, measurement, or observation. Notable critics say scientists utilize mathematics, but inadvertently venture into philosophy or religion. Rigorous debate continues.

The other extreme is Darwinism or macroevolution, where all is observation. Rigorous measurements and experiments require 1,000 to 10,000 times recorded history. Scientists contemplate observed phenomenon, and decide evolution explains everything.

Yet macroevolution fails computational testing, with vanishing small probabilities, using Thermodynamics, which covers all macro-processes. Natural processes in open systems, as required by natural selection, create increased disorder, release energy, and increase entropy. Even huge energy inputs result in Katrina, and not the Brooklyn Bridge absent intentionality. All debate prohibited.

Assume there are 100,000 linear progressions between the primordial soup and the first mammal. Assume 99,980 have absolute certainty of occurrence. If 20 steps have a significant probability for occurrence of 1 in 10, the overall probability for these chemical and biological events would be .000000000000000001 percent. At the other end of the spectrum, a formula for random selection must account for the 40 quadrillion electro-chemical connections between cells in the human brain which cause function.

Darwinist advocates contend contrary arguments require intrusion of God. Yet good theologians of desert religions would say a god hedged in by observation, measurement, experiment, and computation ends up equivalent to the Golden Calf the Israelites constructed in the Wilderness. Their God can only be found by mystical, faith encounters.

The best hope for macroevolution investigation requires intrusion by scientists such as you noted, who neither shrink before, nor embrace religious heresy.


17 posted on 08/20/2009 11:34:51 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike; GodGunsGuts; colorado tanker; stanz; sickoflibs; Alamo-Girl; <1/1,000,000th%; ...
RE :”Darwinist advocates contend contrary arguments require intrusion of God

See #15. It's Creationists like godguns that want you to believe that. It's just that the creationists pose as IDers on the theory that bringing down Darwinism is the #1 way to convince kids that Genesis (Books of Moses) is a science and history book and not a book of faith. They long ago decided that arguing those beliefs directly is a loser.

Yesterday he posted an argument from an atheist defending ID in a creationist christian blog. The two postings have nothing affirmative in common they all are supposed to go back to evolution is bad.

23 posted on 08/20/2009 12:21:14 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: Retain Mike
Thank you for sharing your insights!

Truly, man is not the measure of God.

30 posted on 08/20/2009 8:58:28 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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