 |
||
| · join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic · | ||
Posted on 08/21/2009 6:31:03 PM PDT by neverdem
See post #20 about the colder weather for the next decade because of a Dalton Minimum...
Also, if you haven’t yet, take the time to see the documentary in post #5... :-)
I don’t have time tonight to watch it but I have saved it to my favorites for later viewing.
Top end scientist understand that, but dragging the herd into more complexity then they want to deal with, is very difficult. I once tried to do that in another field. Was very painful. Finally gave up. 5 years later they finally accepted the additional complexity.
I’m just guessing that muawiyah has been looking at the cyclic temperature pattern of the last 5 million years or more, and then comparing that to our present, very unusual interglacial period. We don’t have, you know, sunspot records going back 5 million years, though we do have some other partial data in some areas, over that period.
At any rate, our present interglacial period is not following the pattern: Temps have NOT peaked as high as the last few interglacials, and even more interestingly, instead of peaking and falling back off rapidly, as is virtually always the case, so far as we know, temperatures sort of maxed out (just barely below where they’ve been the last couple decades) and then just sort of levelled off. (The climate variations of the Dalton and Maunder Minimums are almost insignificant compared to the greater cyclic variations.) So, what I look at, and maybe muawiyah too(?) is the fact that we are overdue for a drop into a period of glaciation (normal climate, actually) that will make the Little Ice Age look like a moment of warm spring breeze, by comparison.
Looking at the longer term pattern, one might conclude that this present “flat” period is so unusual, that there almost has to be something going on that wasn’t happening in past cycles. Could it be Man? I don’t know of anyone who can really disprove the notion.
But, if Man is having an effect, how long will his puny activities counter the massive normal cycle? Given that even minor variations like the sunspot activity we are discussing here seem to be able to override any trend Man might cause, this is a most interesting, and potentially deadly, question. If nothing else, carbon based fuels WILL run out soon (on a geologic time scale), and then what?
Either way (Man does or does not have a significant effect), looking at the long term patterns, one can only come to one conclusion: Without interference by Man on a much greater scale than anyone has been debating in this thread, in the relatively near future, Chicago WILL be back to “normal”: Under a mile of ice.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png
Thanks for the post. Bump for later viewing.
Dat pretty cold!
Consensus Thaws On Global Warming
Another Global Warming Movie Flop
Meet The Man Who Has Exposed The Great Climate Change Con Trick
Study: Global warming bill could cost 2.4 million jobs, $1,250 per household
Study: Global warming bill could cost 2.4 million jobs, $1,250 per household
Senator Kerry Misfires about Global Warming and National Security
VIDEO: Clinton: US Has Made Mistake By Contributing Significantly To Global Warming (MUST SEE)
“If the human influence is easily overshadowed (by cooling) during years when the LaNina is only moderate and arctic ice is less than 30 years ago, it begs the question what’s really going on.”
Since most of Earth’s land mass is above the equator, so is most of the land-based temperature stations. And, there has long been questions about the location of those stations in the developed nations in the northern hemisphere, particularly as relates to proximity to the urban heat sinks. Similarly, in less developed nations, north or south, there has long been questions of the accuracy of record keeping. Someday some actual scientists may determine that the whole scam has been a version of GIGO (garbage in garbage out) that, if recognized, even the flawed ICCP modeling programs could not hide.
Quite correct. Charged particles from sunspots are a large component of the solar wind. No sunspots, decreased wind. Much more cosmic radiation reaching earth. This was demonstrated in a cloud chamber by researchers where clouds were formed by cosmic radiation.
Thanks for the ping!
Also, during the Medieval Warm Period, it was warm enough that grapes were grown in England and they produced wine. Much too cold for that now, demonstating that the Chicken Littles are wrong about this being the warmest period ever.
|
||
| · join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic · | ||
I’m waiting for the third edition of The Chilling Stars when physicist Henrik Svensmark finishes the CLOUD09 experiments at CERN in Europe.
Did you get your interest in cosmic rays forming low lying clouds on Earth from his work?
He talks about how there are more cosmic rays entering Earth’s atmosphere when the sun’s magnetic field strength is lower and/or when we are in those parts of our galactic orbit where there are more cosmic rays.
You asked another FReeper — Did you get your interest in cosmic rays forming low lying clouds on Earth from his work?
—
Well, just to let other FReepers know... no one has to get people (your friends, neighbors, relatives, and coworkers) to read any scientist’s work and papers and published materials and books and so on (it would be nice, but people won’t do it).... :-)
All you have to do is get them to see “The Great Global Warming Swindle” in Post #5...
That’s it...
[... after that, each person can decided whether to take it further in their own research or not. At least, they will *know the story* after viewing “The Great Global Warming Swindle”...]
You said — I’m just guessing that muawiyah has been looking at the cyclic temperature pattern of the last 5 million years or more, and then comparing that to our present, very unusual interglacial period. We don’t have, you know, sunspot records going back 5 million years, though we do have some other partial data in some areas, over that period.
—
Well, I’ll depart from any “crowd” here, that may say that we have *anything* from 5 million years ago. The earth has not been around for 5 million years, but much, much less.
And besides that, we have enough direct and measurable and verifiable science right now (in the present day and with recent measurements) to tell us what we need to know about this so-called (and false) theory of “Anthropogenic Global Warming”...
Hey bro...how long do you think our rock near mars and venus has been floating around?
An article by an Oregon FReeper... which was mentioned on Rush...
Carbon Dioxide irrelevant in climate debate says MIT Scientist
by Dianna Cotter
August 18, 7:39 AM
In a study sure to ruffle the feathers of the Global Warming cabal, Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT has published a paper which proves that IPCC models are overstating by 6 times, the relevance of CO2 in Earth’s Atmosphere. Dr. Lindzen has found that heat is radiated out in to space at a far higher rate than any modeling system to date can account for.
Editorial: The science is in. the scare is out. Recent papers and data give a complete picture of why the UN is wrong. [ http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/co2_report_july_09.pdf ]
The pdf file located at the link above from the Science and Public Policy Institute has absolutely, convincingly, and irrefutably proven the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming to be completely false.
Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT’s peer reviewed work states “we now know that the effect of CO2 on temperature is small, we know why it is small, and we know that it is having very little effect on the climate.”
—
The global surface temperature record, which we update and publish
every month, has shown no statistically-significant “global warming”
for almost 15 years. Statistically-significant global cooling has now
persisted for very nearly eight years. Even a strong el Nino – expected
in the coming months – will be unlikely to reverse the cooling trend.
More significantly, the ARGO bathythermographs deployed
throughout the world’s oceans since 2003 show that the top 400
fathoms of the oceans, where it is agreed between all parties that at
least 80% of all heat caused by manmade “global warming” must
accumulate, have been cooling over the past six years. That now prolonged
ocean cooling is fatal to the “official” theory that “global
warming” will happen on anything other than a minute scale.
- SPPI Monthly CO2 Report: July 2009
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/co2_report_july_09.pdf
—
If for no other reason than this: the IPCC assumes that the concentration of CO2 in 2100 will be 836 ppmv (parts per million volume). However, current graphs based on real data show that CO2 concentrations will only be 570 ppmv in 2100, cutting the IPCC’s estimates in half right there.
Another nail in the coffin of Global Warming is the observed rate of temperature change from 1980, which is observed to be 1.5 degrees C per century. The IPCC modeling calls for a range of 2.4 to 5.3 degree increase per century, which is far above what is observed in real data collected between 1980 and 2009. The graph below clearly represents a far different reality as opposed to the predictions.
Anyway, something from one of our own FReepers here... and as I said, mentioned and featured on Rush...
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.