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1 posted on 09/14/2009 9:02:02 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 09/14/2009 9:03:22 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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But would it really?...

I'm not sure what it would prove, but the coolness factor makes it a must-do.

3 posted on 09/14/2009 9:03:41 AM PDT by marron
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Think of all the possibilities! I’m sure KFC is involved. :)


4 posted on 09/14/2009 9:04:47 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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“Would a Reverse-engineered Chicken Demonstrate Evolution?”

Evolutionary science is in a unique position of having to be researched and perhaps someday being demonstrated in a lab and yet hold to the assumption that all this could happen naturally by random chance.


6 posted on 09/14/2009 9:05:22 AM PDT by DonaldC
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MMMmmmmm, chicken tail, all white meat, no bones.
Man! I can't WAIT!
7 posted on 09/14/2009 9:06:39 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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I’m not sure I’d like to reverse engineer chickens. The result might be both scary and prolific...


8 posted on 09/14/2009 9:06:51 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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The have already done it.. turning genes back on that produce “beak teeth”, long bony tails, and other prehistoric (raptor) genetic traits.


10 posted on 09/14/2009 9:09:48 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Would a Reverse-engineered Chicken Demonstrate Evolution?

No, but it would prove (semi)intelligent design

12 posted on 09/14/2009 9:12:03 AM PDT by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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My faith in God isn't affected one iota by the theory of evolution.

God is omnipotent, all powerful and created everything. That is what makes him GOD.

I can wait to hear the details later, direct from the source.

13 posted on 09/14/2009 9:12:07 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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Sounds delicious. Dinosaur noodle soup, dinosaur and dumplings, KFD.


14 posted on 09/14/2009 9:12:49 AM PDT by omega4412
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that chickens could be genetically engineered backward

would it still want to cross the road?

15 posted on 09/14/2009 9:13:55 AM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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16 posted on 09/14/2009 9:35:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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bump


24 posted on 09/14/2009 9:57:15 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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Most of us would prefer to see a segment of our human population evolve.


25 posted on 09/14/2009 9:59:53 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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SUch an act is a necessary, but no sufficient, evidence for Evolution.

If you CAN do it, it doesn’t prove that this is HOW things happened.

But if you CAN’T do it, it proves that it is impossible that we evolved.

In fact, if you can’t reverse-engineer each plausible mutation, and prove that the intermediate steps were viable and could reproduce, that would disprove evolution.

And even though we have all the genetic mappings, nobody’s bothered yet to show how we got, mutation by mutation, from some common ancester to the current genetic makeup of Humans and Chimps.

And if that can’t be done — if there is no viable series of step-by-step mutations — evolution is disproved.

It is not enough that we can find commonalities and differences in the genetic makeup of different species. We have to show that the evolutionary steps that take us from one to another are, each and every one, viable.

By viable, we mean absolutely that each intermediate step would be alive, and that it would be able to reproduce with the non-mutated version, passing along the genetic change.

And while every single mutation doesn’t have to yield a direct advantage, it is necessary that a preponderance of the millions of genetic changes be beneficial to the one representative of the species that gets that mutation, in order for those unique representatives to be able to compete and thrive so their mutation drives out the previous genetic pool.

BTW, if you accept “intelligent design”, or a “creator” into your science, then that last step is not necessary anymore, because a creator or designer can simply force each mutation step to become dominant, regardless of whether it improves the species or not.

This need for million of genetic changes across thousands of species to ALL be viable, and for most to be beneficial (each individual step) is what makes Evolution so implausible.


34 posted on 09/14/2009 10:53:19 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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What's a day without Brian Thomas *MS adding in his fraction of a penny?

In his recent book How to Build a Dinosaur...

Didja really read that book, Brian?

by purposeful design

Ooooo....."design"....say it again...."design"...does that mean this researcher is God?

demonstration of evolution

I prefer the next statement, as it's a little more concise, but a reader has to look it up themselves.

"If I can demonstrate clearly that the potential for dinosaur anatomical development exists in birds, then it again proves that birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs."

Does it show this? Dunno....but I bet Brian will now go use the word "kind" and then finish this up with a false conclusion.

A long-tailed chicken would not truly demonstrate evolution. This “reverse-transitional” form would be less fit than its peers, having to drag around a uselessly long tail.

Brian here doesn't even "get it", but must get the reader to keep the image of a long-tailed chicken running around to have his great "research article".....hey Brian, the point is not to generate a chicken with higher genetic fitness than other chickens. It's to demonstrate that identifying mutations and playing with them, you can generate a dinosaur tail...ONE PART.....sort of a look at reverse evolution. But you don't even "get it" Brian, so get to the false conclusion already.

However, the apparently steadfast maintenance of hepatic-piston diaphragmatic lung ventilation in theropods throughout the Mesozoic poses fundamental problems for such a relationship.

Gee, Brian....are you showing evidence that the Earth is not 6000 years old?

kind

There's the "kind"......how about a definition of "kind"? Last 2 times it was "species" and "taxa"...what EXACTLY is the definition of "kind", Brian?

the amount and precision of genetic and cellular alterations that would have to be bioengineered to transform a chicken into a legitimately dinosaurian creature are so vast that no natural process could achieve it.

So now Brian here knows what the exact genetic make-up of dinosaurs was. Where'd you get your complete dino-DNA sequence, Brian? In addition.....baseless conclusion, Brian.

Rather than demonstrate evolution, these attempts to transform chickens will certainly demonstrate the precise and intricate design of this created kind.

Can't say I know what it will truly demonstrate, Brian, as I am not a geneticist or evolutionary biologist....but I surely can recognize a false conclusion.

Does this prove that Man walked the Earth with hundreds of species of large meat eating dinosaurs?

40 posted on 09/14/2009 10:58:40 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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Pseudoscientists often reveal themselves by their handling of the scientific literature. Their idea of doing scientific research is simply to read scientific periodicals and monographs. They focus on words, not on the underlying facts and reasoning. They take science to be all statements by scientists. Science degenerates into a secular substitute for sacred literature. Any statement by any scientist can be cited against any other statement. Every statement counts and every statement is open to interpretation. - Science and Unreason, Radner and Radner


45 posted on 09/14/2009 11:11:56 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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I’d be happy if they could just “re-engineer” them so they have 4 wings instead of just two. Makes sharing the wings difficult when there are only two on the whole roasted chicken.

But that’s just me.


57 posted on 09/14/2009 12:12:01 PM PDT by Neets (Yea, Jeter is the second coming....of a Yankee career high hitter. Don't hate.)
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It would definitely prove that some outcomes are the result of Intelligent Design.


66 posted on 09/14/2009 2:16:23 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Education is not the filling of a bucket, but the lighting of a fire." ---Yeats)
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No.


84 posted on 09/14/2009 7:32:25 PM PDT by bvw
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