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1 posted on 10/13/2009 7:27:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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does this mean i can quit recycling and not feel rotten about it?


2 posted on 10/13/2009 7:29:42 PM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: steelyourfaith; xcamel; SunkenCiv
Related thread:

Steward's 10 'Myths' About Global Warming and CO2 Damage

3 posted on 10/13/2009 7:29:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

New socialist slogan: Pass Cap and Tax to fight Global Cooling!!!!


4 posted on 10/13/2009 7:30:23 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Doesn't matter.

They're going to shove cap-and-tax through and redistribute the remaining wealth of the United States to Third World dictators.

That's what it was all about from the very beginning.

5 posted on 10/13/2009 7:30:48 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Somebody tell that stupid lying queen Lindsay Graham-nesty pushing Cap & Trade.


6 posted on 10/13/2009 7:31:21 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


7 posted on 10/13/2009 7:32:54 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Time for an all-out, storm the bunker push from Algor and his bots, the UN, and all the one-worlder socialists. To delay is to lose!

Maybe just using “climate change” will work, or will people see through that?

It’s really sort of tribal, to think that there is a guy who knows what the Earth wants, and if we do what he says, Earth will be kind to us and crops will be good next season. It’s worked for millennia, why is it failing now?


9 posted on 10/13/2009 7:35:13 PM PDT by DBrow (Thank You Al Gore You Saved Earth!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well the public may know that Global Warming is a scam but the politicians and the EPA sure don't know it. They are going full steam ahead with plans to tax the hell out of the public for CO2 output. They have no sense of conscience or both. They could care less about facts. These politicians are despicable.

Even now that the data has undeniably shown that it's been cooling since 1998, they move forward. They keep saying it's happening despite all the data that they are wrong. They have adopted the tactic used by Joseph Goebbels. Just keep telling the big lie and in the minds of the public it will become the truth. They people have no shame.
11 posted on 10/13/2009 7:37:15 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It does seem as if that BBC article, as I hoped, marked the tipping point.

If it hadn’t been for Drudge headlining it on his website, it might have passed unnoticed. But now everyone and his brother is hopping on board.

This particular writer is a global warming debunker. But here they are, giving him the opportunity to write in the Canadian National Post.

Even the liberal media are starting to tire of the nonsense. They looked up, saw everyone suddenly waking up from their global warming comas, and now it’s a done deal.

Thank God. Maybe in time to deep-six Obama’s Cap and Trade, which was already put on the back burner.


13 posted on 10/13/2009 7:39:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Including this from the ending of the article.....

**********************************EXCERPT****************************

Financial Post

LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com

Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and Urban Renaissance Institute and author of The Deniers: The world-renowned scientists who stood up against global warming hysteria, political persecution, and fraud.

**********************************AMAZON INFO*****************************

The Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**And those who are too fearful to do so (Hardcover)

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120 of 132 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Review of Deniers, April 6, 2008
By  Walter H. Pierce (Cypress, Tx USA) - See all my reviews
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The author, Lawrence Solomon, comes from an "environmentalist" background having worked as an activist against nuclear power expansion and world rain forest protection, and as a journalist or the National Post of Toronto. This book stems from a series of newspaper articles on individual scientists that disagreed in some way with the "conventional wisdom" or "political correctness" of Global Warming, specifically, man's role in Global Warming. It is evident at the conclusion of the book that Mr. Solomon has considerable respect for the 30+ scientists which he has interviewed for the book. There is little question that in Mr. Solomon's words the question of man's role in Global Warming is not settled science.

This is really a remarkable book. The reader is able to take advantage of an author that has been able to converse with a cross section of some of the most outstanding scientists, an author who is obviously devoted to environmental ethics, and an author that can write with the clarity of a experienced journalist. Reading this book is a real education. The scientific questions broached touch on multiple topics in science, ranging from glaciers to malaria, from Antarctic to hurricanes, from low clouds to the Sun and the way the Sun and the planetary system impacts cosmic radiation, from geologic history to the way science is done, and finally to a plethora of scientific approaches to understanding the physics, chemistry, geochemical distribution and history of carbon dioxide in the earth, oceans, atmosphere.

What is important here? Public policy will be formulated on the results of science. One of Solomon's major concerns is that poor public policy stemming from poor science or misinterpreted science will have a negative impact on the world's poor. In addition to the science itself Mr. Solomon is very concerned with the way the results of science are received and acted upon in our political world.

Mr. Solomon treats each scientist with respect, giving each a mini resume. His order of treatment makes pedagogic sense and thematic sense. A real challenge of the book is to cover the scope of the science in a responsible and understandable way. In my opinion he does that admirably and concisely way.

He begins with a discussion of the word, Deniers, explaining its derogatory usage. meaning and emphasizes that most of these scientists do not consider themselves deniers. My sense is that both Solomon and the scientists discussed would have preferred the word Skeptics to Deniers. The word Deniers does set up the context of the book into the tension and edginess, that present circumstances deserve. The first scientist depicted is Edward Wegman, who along with a group of select scientists was asked by Congress to critique the famous hockey stick graph. Selected important graphs and data displays are used in the text with comparisons and unusually complete captions. Each chapter contains references and highlights available articles and their web locations or urls.

After you finish this book you will have a better understanding of how the temperature of the earth is measured and how the temperature history of the earth is approximated. An understanding of the cycle, sources and sinks of carbon dioxide is crucial and selected scientists that have give their life work to study of carbon dioxide in ice, in the ocean, in the earth, in the atmosphere, and in the earths history are reviewed. Does carbon dioxide drive temperature or does temperature drive carbon dioxide? This is the all important question to answer, and must be answered before we attempt to use policy to "correct" global warming. Is the earth really warming or is it beginning to cool?

This is not an easy book to read. Frankly the scope of the science covered in the book is staggering. I will definitely re-read portions if not all of the book. But, because of the clarity of Solomon's language and the importance of the content he has amassed, I will. As scientist, myself, I am very impressed with what Mr. Solomon has done here. Even though this book's mission is to elucidate the view point of the skeptics, I believe this synthesis will help scientists and the public on both sides of the issue.

The book challenges, at the core, the case for man's impact on global warming as a consequence carbon dioxide emissions. Questions are raised as to whether the earth is actually warming. It is pointed out that the temperature record stations are un-representative of the earth's surface with the ocean being under-represented, and that measurements considered to be most representative (satellite-mounted microwave sounding units -- MSU) have not shown a record of warming since initiated in 1979.

There are critical comments about the management and agenda of the IPCC. The IPCC is self described as: "... a scientific inter governmental body set up by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP)" from the IPCC web site. In this book the IPCC stands accused of changing and dictating the conclusions of the scientists doing the work in their own organization.
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14 posted on 10/13/2009 7:39:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nothing is over until they find an appropriate substitute to use for consolidating power. When you start hearing about it, then you will know they have let go of global warming.


15 posted on 10/13/2009 7:39:37 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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The scare may be all but over but cap&trade is still going to waste the economy and end prosperity, at least until the word is redefined. The whole point of GW was/is ending capitalism and installing a utopian socialism. It appears it may have accomplished that goal even as it expires as a religion.


16 posted on 10/13/2009 7:41:37 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes, the train left the station some time ago. And it is now off the rails.


23 posted on 10/13/2009 7:52:20 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: All; neverdem; MissDairyGoodnessVT
Related thread:

Viscount Monckton of Brenchley: Climate Myths and National Security

Fond this author from a link posted at #11 by MissDairyGoodnessVT

26 posted on 10/13/2009 7:57:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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But! But! - Big Al got the Pizza Prize didn’t he? They don’t give those things away for nothing you know. I mean let’s get real - they don’t, do they?


30 posted on 10/13/2009 8:05:19 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The communists, oops I meant democrat party activists, never gave a rat’s patootie about “global warming.”

It was only about usurping power through fear mongering.


32 posted on 10/13/2009 8:12:06 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: devolve; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gore already made his millions, billions from it. Was glad to see the guy make a fool of him over the Polar Bears.


33 posted on 10/13/2009 8:13:15 PM PDT by potlatch (Actions Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Now the US House of Representatives, and the US Senate must become educated. Then as zero sees the gig is up, he will allow his chief scientific adviser to back of the global warming horse shit. And the USA just like under three past presidents will not sanctify the UN Kyato crapola.
As more European scientist insist global warming is horse crap and those EU politicians are forced to see they are fostering lies upon their peoples, things will hopefully change.
I understand there are ground swells taking place on the hill to carefully examine this issue. Who knows. Enough of these people may fear the masses are catching on, and decide to become honest leaders and just can all this carbon tax crap once and for all.
For once, the truth may actually lead to benefits to all mankind. Hey. Plants need CO2 to live. Give the plants a fair shake in all this. Hmmmmm......perhaps properly marketed, we could bring down the socialist commie environmental movements once and for all.
And replace them with more scientific oriented but fair minded, mature groups that do have often honest gripes. Clean air and water is not evil. It is in all our best interests. But to many of these clowns as so many here are so painfully aware... totally abuse their standing.
Clean up our streams, rivers, bays, oceans and air, where it can be shown to lead to a more healthy environment for us all. I have no problem with being able to eat fish for instance free of mercury or a host of industrial by products from plastics manufacturing we know reside along our industrial coast lines that cause cancers etc..
The lists are long in this arena. In short, things that are proven to benefit us all from a health standpoint.
But CO2?
The jerks went to far on this one. To hear clowns in the L/MSM use the term......CO2 a pollutant, a poison..... the assholes have been allowed to go to far!
44 posted on 10/13/2009 8:31:29 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I'll go back to when I joined this great site back in 2005....Honor must be earned....)
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Lawrence Solomon: The end is near ( global warming scare is all over but the shouting )

Just as the rino Lindsey Graham signs on to Al Gore's religion in a big way. How fitting!

46 posted on 10/13/2009 8:39:39 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good reading. A brutal article if you're a global warming Goreite though.
48 posted on 10/13/2009 8:54:41 PM PDT by RJL
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