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Archimedes proved that an object displaces its mass in water if it is less dense that water and its volume if it is more dense. As ice is less dense it will displace its mass which being water will not cause a change in sea level if it melts. This is something learned in Physics 101


6 posted on 10/30/2009 7:31:26 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL
This is something learned in Physics 101

Algore didn't take Physics 101. He was too busy inventing the Internet.

16 posted on 10/30/2009 7:38:17 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: LukeL

Incorrect.

http://www.physorg.com/news5619.html


22 posted on 10/30/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: LukeL

Thats true for sea ice. Not so for the Greenland or Antarctic ice caps. That ice is not floating on water, therefore if it melts ( a gigantic if) then sea levels would indeed rise.


26 posted on 10/30/2009 7:42:50 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: LukeL
Archimedes proved that an object displaces its mass in water if it is less dense that water and its volume if it is more dense. As ice is less dense it will displace its mass which being water will not cause a change in sea level if it melts. This is something learned in Physics 101

Stop thinking. AlGore has proven that people who think breath out more CO2 than those who don't, and thus the ice caps will melt even faster! Just send Al your donation and shut up!

30 posted on 10/30/2009 7:45:31 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LukeL

Is Kevin Costner and Waterworld at the Blockbuster Video? I need to start studying how to survive in a wrold covered with water. I thought the Arctic sea ice was just that SEA ICE. It floats on top of the sea and when it melts, it does not raise the level a bit. Of course Al Gore never lets ‘inconvenient’ facts gets in the way of a good story.


33 posted on 10/30/2009 7:47:35 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: LukeL

(lefties and science...)

How to Tell a Witch...
Villager: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
Crowd: BURN!! BUUUURN HER!
Bedevere: But how do you *know* she is a witch?
Villager: She looks like one!
Other Villagers: Yeah! She looks like one!!!
Bedevere: Bring her forward.

(a young woman is pushed through the crowd of villagers to the platform. She is dressed all in black, has a carrot tied around her face on top of her nose, and a black paper hat on her head. She talks funny because her nose is closed by the carrot.)

Witch: I’m not a witch, I’m not a witch!
Bedevere: Er,...but you are dressed as one.
Witch: THEY dressed me up like this.
Villagers: No! nooo! We didn’t! We didn’t!
Witch: And this isn’t my nose, it’s a false one!

(Bedevere lifts up the carrot to reveal the woman’s real nose, which is in
fact rather small.)

Bedevere: Well?
One Villager: Well, we did do the nose.
Bedevere: The nose?
Villager: And the Hat. But she’s a witch!
Villagers: Yeah! Burn her! Burn! Burn her!
B: Did you dress her up like this?
Villagers: NO! No, no, no, no, no, no...
One Villager: yes.
Villagers: yes. yes. yes. A bit. yes. a bit. a bit.
Another Villager: (hopefully) She has got a wart...
B: What makes you think she is a witch?
Villager: Well, She turned me into a newt!!

(pause)

Bedevere: a newt?

(long pause)

Villager: I got better...
Villagers: BURN HER anyway! BURN! BURN! BURN HER!
B: Quiet, quiet, quiet, QUIET! There are ways of *telling* whether she is a witch!
Villagers: Are there? What? Tell us, then! Tell us!
B: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
V: BUUUURN!!!!! BUUUUUURRRRNN!!!!! You BURN them!!!! BURN!!
B: And what do you burn apart from witches?
Villager: More Witches!
Other Villager: Wood.
B: So. Why do witches burn?

(long silence)
(shuffling of feet by the villagers)

Villager: (tentatively) Because they’re made of.....wood?
B: Goooood!
Other Villagers: oh yeah... oh....
B: So. How do we tell whether she is made of wood?
One Villager: Build a bridge out of ‘er!
B: Aah. But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
Villagers: oh yeah. oh. umm...
B: Does wood sink in water?
One Villager: No! No, no, it floats!
Other Villager: Throw her into the pond!
Villagers: yaaaaaa!

(when order is restored)

B: What also floats in water?
Villager: Bread!
Another Villager: Apples!
Another Villager: Uh...very small rocks!
Another Villager: Cider!
Another Villager: Uh...great gravy!
Another Villager: Cherries!
Another Villager: Mud!
Another Villager: Churches! Churches!
Another Villager: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck!
Villagers: (in amazement) ooooooh!
B: exACTly!
B: (to a villager) So, *logically*...

Villager: (very slowly, with pauses between each word) If...she...weighs the same as a duck......she’s made of wood.

B: and therefore...

(pause)

Villager: A Witch!
All Villagers: A WITCH!

(they do consequently weigh her across from a duck on Bedevere’s largest scale, and she does indeed weigh the same as the duck.)

Witch: It’s a fair cop.


58 posted on 10/30/2009 8:14:27 PM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: LukeL

Yes, it is basic physics but remember that idiot algore received a D in bonehead science, the only science course he ever took.


100 posted on 10/31/2009 10:01:45 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: LukeL
Archimedes presents an oversimplification, which is why it's important to consult earth scientists, not physicists.

Archimedes’ findings involved buoyancy and submerged/partially submerged objects or materials in isostatic equilibrium...which is irrelevant to the ice cap on Greenland, for example, on this timescale (the earth's crust is still rebounding from the last glacial retreat—definitely a slower timescale). Greenland's melting would add water to raise sea level, for example, and it would take dozens of millennia to make the physics argument relevant—not because the physics is wrong, but because they omit the viscosity factor and make an unwarranted assumption of a static earth backdrop.

In general, geologists are far more skeptical than physicists.

102 posted on 10/31/2009 11:40:22 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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