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Revolt on the Right (Reminder for those who think NY23 was a loss)
American Spectator ^ | 10/23/2009 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 11/04/2009 3:36:32 AM PST by markomalley

Dede Scozzafava won't even commit to how long she'll support House Minority Leader John Boehner for speaker. Faced with persistent questions from John McCormack, a conservative young reporter from the Weekly Standard, aimed at discerning her predilection for pulling an Arlen Specter, Scozzafava called the cops. Her press secretary later released an e-mail exchange with McCormack they thought would vindicate their position, only to find that even Daily Kos agrees with the Standard on this dust-up.

This prompted a virtual stampede of conservative bloggers and activists to come forward and demand that Scozzafava drop out of the race. It has sent an even bigger flood of conservatives, both within and outside the district, to support Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over Scozzafava. A Sienna College poll found that 23 percent of the district's likely voters now intend to cast their ballots for Hoffman, a 7-point jump in two weeks, compared to 29 percent for Scozzafava and 33 percent for Democrat Bill Owens.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hoffman; rino; scozzafava; traitor
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That reporters would even have to ask Scozzafava if she would vote for Boehner for speaker in 2011 (if she was still in office) shows us that she was a HUGE mistake.

For those who are buying into the Democratic spin that NY-23 was a huge b1tch-slap toward conservatives, remember what we prevented. A RINO who might not even vote for the Republican for speaker. Somebody who would make Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and even Lincoln Chaffee look conservative.

Had Hoffman not run, she would have surely been elected to Congress. She would have been more the favorite of ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCWAPONYT to represent the Republican party, replacing Snowejob, McLame, and Gramnesty as the prime choice for the Sunday Morning talk shows and for prime-time analysis.

Think about it, folks.

1 posted on 11/04/2009 3:36:33 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Absolutely. Good analysis.


2 posted on 11/04/2009 3:40:45 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: markomalley

It’s stunning Conservatives were able to garner so much support in only three weeks. It’s a strong indication the Conservative movement is growing despite of the OP(formerly the GOP). The OP candidate, Scozzofava, took votes from the Conservative candidate causing his loss.


3 posted on 11/04/2009 3:41:29 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: rockinqsranch; markomalley
"Absolutely. Good analysis."

Concur. What conservatives accomplished in NY-23 was just short of miraculous. This really bodes ill for RINOS.

4 posted on 11/04/2009 3:43:44 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The RINOcrat-media complex will go overdrive to paint NY23 as a “repudiation” of the “teabagger Palin crowd”. Watch out for Nyuuut the Grinch pontificating about how only “moderates” have a chance.


5 posted on 11/04/2009 3:49:09 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: markomalley
Will Hoffman or someone like him be elected next year in the usual way? Is NY23 a conservative district?

It's bad that Hoffman wasn't elected. Electing Scozzofava would have been far worse. At least now the representation in NY23 is honest.

It's disconcerting that voters in a district described as conservative would vote for such a leftist rather than Hoffman. Perhaps they wanted a liberal.

6 posted on 11/04/2009 3:50:17 AM PST by stevem
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To: SolidWood
The RINOcrat-media complex will go overdrive to paint NY23 as a “repudiation” of the “teabagger Palin crowd”.

Agreed.

RINOs and "moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum who will happily hand a race to a democrat if they think they can use fear to put it back in RINO hands in the future.
7 posted on 11/04/2009 4:03:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: stevem
Here is what I posted in the PA Boards in discussing this RINO vs Conservative battle:

I have posted numerous times how conservatives need to take over the Republican Party from the inside.

NY-23 is a great example where the local, state and national GOP are not aligned with conservative values.

Conservatives tried to force the issue with Hoffman, but we fell short.....just like with Toomey.

We will continue to fall short if running a third choice or imposing a candidate on a district is our only tactic.

Like it or not, we need the political machine as much as it needs us. So far, conservatives have fed the machine, but we were never really allowed to operate the machine.

Conservatism wins when we can explain our positions, not when we throw a choice out there and hope for the best.

Toomey and Hoffman lost their races because they did not have the machine with them.

Toomey and Hoffman also lost their races because conservatives, too often, sit on their asses and don’t vote.

We think that between FR and talk radio, all conservatives are “tuned-in” to what is happening.....they are not.

Many conservatives are just like the average person who gets their news from the TV and can tell you the entire lineup of the the Steelers and Penn State but not who their local representative in Harrisbug is.

Conservatives need to look ourselves in the mirror and admit to some reality.....and stop blaming everybody else for our losses and position within the GOP.

Reagan set the stage for conservatives to infiltrate and take over the GOP. Instead, we sat back and thought we had the power.

Instead, the same moderates who ran the party and blocked Reagan in 1976 were still running the show.

Until we run the show, we will never have the political success we desire. We cannot build a new third-party due to the obstacles involved. The GOP is our home, like it or not.

Our house needs renovating....that’s all.

8 posted on 11/04/2009 4:05:44 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The cleansing of the Republican Party must continue...


9 posted on 11/04/2009 4:10:39 AM PST by CurlyBill (1-20-13 can't get here fast enough!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Like it or not, we need the political machine as much as it needs us.

Absolutely. Inspiration is a fine thing, but we can't do everything on a wing and a prayer. That Hoffman could come so close without any machine help is extraordinary. He was a complete cipher 5 weeks ago, last night he almost pulled off a monumental upset. The raw material is there for a conservative resurgence, but we've got to have more organization. This in effect means taking over republican party structures and putting them at the service of conservative candidates.

10 posted on 11/04/2009 4:32:15 AM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: markomalley

I think this was good - not excellent. It would have been excellent if Hoffman had won but it still very good in that the message was clear and unequivocal. We either want a conservative or we will take an idiot democrat which we can spend a few years tearing up. The republicans better get the message or 2010 will be a loss again.

Facts are stubborn things. - Ronald Reagan


11 posted on 11/04/2009 4:46:21 AM PST by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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To: markomalley
For those who are buying into the Democratic spin that NY-23 was a huge b1tch-slap toward conservatives, remember what we prevented.

A RINO retaining a RINO seat. rat...it's the new conservatism!

12 posted on 11/04/2009 4:52:39 AM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler
A RINO retaining a RINO seat. rat...it's the new conservatism!

Let me fix that for you:

A RINO being prevented from retaining a RINO seat. rat...it's the new conservatism!

That's better

13 posted on 11/04/2009 5:10:18 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Yea I agree, it’s not all bad. They are going to do this again next year.


14 posted on 11/04/2009 5:12:47 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: markomalley
For those who are buying into the Democratic spin that NY-23 was a huge b1tch-slap toward conservatives,

A simple observation from last night and today's threads:

Freepers feel that when the Conservative wins it is a message directed to Obama but when the Conservative loses it is not a message to Obama.

Lacks some consistency, doesn't it?

15 posted on 11/04/2009 5:21:07 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: markomalley
Let me fix that for you:

A RINO being prevented from retaining a RINO seat. rat...it's the new conservatism!

Not much of a difference, but actually let me fix that:

A RINO replaced with a rat. rat...it's the new conservatism!

as close to the truth as is possible on this forum...all it's missing is the four letter swears I'd like to post between each word...x@#$ conservative #$X% you're #X%*ing with my children's future.

Did you even read your post before you sent it to me?

16 posted on 11/04/2009 5:21:11 AM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: CurlyBill

It seems there’s a politician out there that made HER way by cleaning out the GOP establishment in her state first, then cleaning out the remaining leftist democRats in her state...

Something that I think could be applied to the country as a whole.


17 posted on 11/04/2009 5:23:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Patrsup

If I understand you correctly, the message these elections should send is to the GOP and not to Obama.

If the GOP runs Conservative candidates the base will support them; if not, they won’t.

And I’d agree with that.

Aside from that, it was an election to select a couple governors and a congressional rep and not much more.


18 posted on 11/04/2009 5:23:29 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: ishmac
That Hoffman could come so close without any machine help is extraordinary.

True. He battled both the RNC and DNC mega machines, and came this close to winning. That's very good. He stood on equal ground.

19 posted on 11/04/2009 5:25:01 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Once-Ler

I’m not even sure what side you’re on, but let me put in my 2 cents.

Better that a democRat has the seat than a RINO.
RINOs give the ‘rats “bipartisan” cover so that they don’t have the own the consequences of their policies.

Notice how the ‘rats are reluctant even to pass their decades-old signature issue without bipartisan cover.


20 posted on 11/04/2009 5:25:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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