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Maybe not. Maybe they need to rework their models, if not rethink the AGW hypothesis?

More evidence CO2 not culprit

Atmospheric carbon dioxide through the Eocene-Oligocene climate transition.

Carbon dioxide forcing alone insufficient to explain Palaeocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum warming

1 posted on 12/31/2009 6:51:50 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Dirt can’t possibly be clean.


2 posted on 12/31/2009 6:56:32 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: neverdem

Actually, during the hothouse eras of prehistory, CO2 levels were often lower than they were during the pre-industrial era, so this news which is made to sound like it demonstrates global warming, actually does the opposite.


3 posted on 12/31/2009 7:00:11 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: neverdem

Nature was led like a poodle into AGW by Mann and his scamster cohorts, they’re still in deep.


4 posted on 12/31/2009 7:03:45 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: neverdem

Plant more trees.


5 posted on 12/31/2009 7:04:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: neverdem
Carbon dioxide is rising, temperatures are dropping, so how is this happening? What possibly could be affecting the temperature not just on Earth but on Venus and Mars.. Somethings driving the climate change...

It must mean we need cap and trade legislation to control it, and the initial drop is our curbing energy use and our experiments in carbon credits.

As for Venus and Mars, it must mean the data from the probes must be corrected for these abnormalities in temperature. Oh, and it's forbidden for the general public to look at solar data anymore. It might hurt their eyes, and this regulation is for their protection.

6 posted on 12/31/2009 7:04:15 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: neverdem
"Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are rising today, and the new finding suggests that climate might be considerably more sensitive to changes in carbon dioxide than previously thought..."

Really? I call BS, because today's CO2 is around 0.038% but the Earth's early atmosphere is largely agreed to have been around 10%.

And look how we didn't turn into Venus.

7 posted on 12/31/2009 7:06:49 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: neverdem

The scaremongers are still shoveling the Manure.


8 posted on 12/31/2009 7:10:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: neverdem

I thought it hasn’t changed in 160 years?


9 posted on 12/31/2009 7:10:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: neverdem
Notice the number of wiggle words used the opening alone...no scientific statements or proof at all, just "maybes".

"It could take less of the greenhouse gas to reach a particular levelof warming.

Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels may have been lower in warm eras of the Earth's distant past than once believed, scientists reported this week.

The finding raises concern that carbon dioxide levels from fossil fuel burning may, in the near future, be closer to those associated with ancient hothouse climates.



Hey, enviroweenies...give it up...you've been busted big time, and there ain't no going back...Al Capones vault was empty, and so is Al Gores global warming.
12 posted on 12/31/2009 7:39:46 PM PST by FrankR (Time waits for no man...or man-child, including kenyans.)
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Hey! This is probably the last craptastic global warming hoax post for 2009!


13 posted on 12/31/2009 7:42:07 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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Were the Chesapeake, Popigai and Toms River major meteor impact events factored into the Eocene/Oligocen transition data? Time around 35 million years ago.


14 posted on 12/31/2009 7:48:40 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: neverdem

Math is hard.... eliminate 100% of Man (including what we exhale) and nothing changes.
I am so glad that I have fewer and fewer years left before I leave this existence and move on to the next...
Ignorance may be bliss but it sure is hard to watch.


16 posted on 12/31/2009 8:05:29 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Parse every sentence uttered by a politician)
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Not buying a syllable of it.

"We've lied about everything so far...but this time, the models are different so we need less CO2 for a catastrophe!"

F.E.T.E., as The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler would say.

Cheers!

...and Happy New Year.

17 posted on 12/31/2009 8:23:55 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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OK, now I have read the second link regarding the Eocene-Oligocene climate transition.

It was definitely immediately subsequent to the major boloid strikes of the 34 to 35 million year ago period. The Chesapeake Meteor and Popigai both left craters 60 miles in diameter, and the Toms River meteor left a crater almost 10 miles in diameter. This was more than enough to cause a nuclear winter type event with the formation of a major Antarctic ice sheet. As to what influence this had on the state of CO2 is not addressed, but since they did not even mention these boloid events in the article it does not make sense to make any major attributions to CO2 and temperature causation.


20 posted on 12/31/2009 9:19:51 PM PST by gleeaikin
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Now I have read links one and three. Three deals with the 55 million year old thermal maximum, and one mentions both the 34 and 55 million year ago data.

Both articles say that other, perhaps unknown factors also need to be taken into consideration. The third article expresses ignorance of other possible causes of the 55 mya maximum, but seems to me there is a rather strong suggestion that there was a major oceanic methane burp that may have been the culprit. Of course, if there was a huge methane release, what caused that—a huge boloid? We know that 74 thousand years ago Toba volcano had major climate influences.

The sad thing in science is that scientists get so specialized that the atmospheric people do not know what the vulcanolgists know, or the what the boloid trackers know. What can be done to get these people paying attention to each other?


21 posted on 12/31/2009 9:34:02 PM PST by gleeaikin
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22 posted on 12/31/2009 9:43:35 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels may have been lower in warm eras of the Earth's distant past than once believed, scientists reported this week. --snip-- Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are rising today, and the new finding suggests that climate might be considerably more sensitive to changes in carbon dioxide than previously thought...

Or it could be that the two really have nothing to do with each other.

24 posted on 12/31/2009 9:50:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: neverdem

>>>It could take...<<<

Or it could not. *sigh*


27 posted on 12/31/2009 10:04:58 PM PST by redpoll
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Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels may have been lower in warm eras of the Earth's distant past than once believed, scientists reported this week.

The finding raises concern that carbon dioxide levels from fossil fuel burning may, in the near future, be closer to those associated with ancient hothouse climates.

Or it could mean that CO2 has nothing to do with past warming. =he finding of higher temperatures and lower CO2 concentrations is completely at odds with the models.

28 posted on 12/31/2009 10:15:32 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

32 posted on 01/01/2010 4:08:44 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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