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started a thread with a doc I found on the CERN website which gives more info about the status of the CLOUD cosmic ray experiments there..... sounds like it’s been delayed more because they are now expecting to start getting some initial results during 2010

incredible that this was not done many years ago if the whole AGW/climate change hoopla depends upon the assumption that the sun has had little or no effect upon 20th century climate (leaving aside for the moment the issue that any warming seems to have stopped in the last decade)....

I don’t pretend to any scientific expertise, but it does astonish me that anyone in the “climate science community” could make grand claims about AGW and CO2 unless it were strongly established that the sun is NOT relevant to changes being discussed. If it’s still quite possible that cosmic rays account for 50% or more of such changes, and other atmospheric processes may not yet be completely understood, then how can anyone rationally express confidence in an AGW hypothesis?

They make the claims about AGW and CO2, because they were able to mau-mau governments to give them money to 'study' it, and were able to influence the grant givers into NOT giving money to others who expressed skepticism about the claims of the AGW folks.

If you haven't read Henrik Svensmark's book, "The Chilling Stars: A Cosmic View of Climate Change", I'd recommend it. I believe it is HIS experiments that they are doing at CERN, because he's been talking about cloud nucleation for years. The experiment was delayed for the last year or two, because of the accident that destroyed one of the magnets in the ring at CERN.

Thanks for the link, and the hat tip.

The article I linked to is one of a series of brief articles from 2007 about those who were labeled ‘The Deniers’ because they opposed the mythical ‘consensus’ on CO2 and Man-Made global warming:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=c6a32614-f906-4597-993d-f181196a6d71