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To: tlb
Two very interesting aspects of the story...

One, Gliese 581 is a red dwarf star. Primitives in todays world trying to devise an astral religion from scratch would end up worshiping the sun and moon; nonetheless the two chieftain gods of all of the ancient religions were Jupiter and Saturn, which would almost certainly be red dwarf stars without the nearby presence of our sun.

Two is the tidal lock i.e. the fact that the Goldilocks planet has one pole pointed straight at the star, permanently. Greek and Roman myths all claim there were no seasons prior to the flood. That's what you'd expect with a tidal lock formation.

8 posted on 10/01/2010 3:35:58 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

I believe a tidally locked satellite would have its poles more or less perpendicular to plane of the orbit and therefore also perpendicular to the line connecting the center of mass of the central body and the satellite. The moon is tidally locked to earth; its orbital period is exactly equal to its rotational period, so it always presents the same face to the earth. There earth does not appear at precisely the same direction as seen from the moon, but does wiggle a little bit because of the eliptical nature of the moon’s orbit and a slight tilt of the rotational axis compared to the orbital plane. The earth also exhibits phases as seen from the moon, but they are 180 degrees out of phase with lunar phases seen from earth. When we see a full moon, lunarians see a new earth phase, and vice versa.


17 posted on 10/01/2010 4:18:16 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: wendy1946

“Greek and Roman myths all claim there were no seasons prior to the flood. “

maybe off topic but a bell went off in my head.
Where did you get this information?


28 posted on 10/01/2010 5:16:12 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: wendy1946
Goldilocks planet has one pole pointed straight at the star, permanently. Greek and Roman myths all claim there were no seasons prior to the flood. That's what you'd expect with a tidal lock formation.

Tidal locked to the primary would lead to overheating on the sun side and ice-ball on the back side, with maybe a strip of livable land between. I think you are thinking of axle tilt causing no seasons.

31 posted on 10/01/2010 5:25:39 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: wendy1946
Interesting points about the Gliese planet. Another thing to point out is that it's a flare star, and would flood any nearby planets in its system with hard radiation regularly. And if they're tidally locked, the planets' warm side would be sure to get a blast of radiation.

No life there. The only mystery is why this solar system is getting pumped in the media so often lately. It could be, as you suggest, Wendy, an attempt to create a new religion, a new idol to replace the failed global warming story.

44 posted on 10/01/2010 6:00:45 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: wendy1946
[Jupiter and Saturn, which would almost certainly be red dwarf stars without the nearby presence of our sun.]

LOL.  What Southern orifice did you pull that out of?

With a mass only 93 times that of Jupiter, AB Doradus C, a companion to AB Doradus A, is the smallest known star undergoing nuclear fusion in its core.[106] For stars with similar metallicity to the Sun, the theoretical minimum mass the star can have, and still undergo fusion at the core, is estimated to be about 75 times the mass of Jupiter.[107][108]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star

The sun's presence has NOTHING to do with with Jupiter or Saturn not being Red Dwarfs.

If either Jupiter or Saturn had the mass required, which they evidently DON'T - there's nothing preventing them from being a companion star to the Sun, as AB Doradus C is to AB Doradus A.

 

119 posted on 10/02/2010 10:37:50 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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