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Forget the center; this would effectively be a move to the right. Another win for the Gipper.
1 posted on 12/09/2010 11:01:32 PM PST by streetpreacher
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Simplifying the tax code, i.e. flat tax; eliminate “deductions” & replace with lowering the marginal tax rates... would lead to more revenue. This is essentially capitulation to Reaganism. It would be much better than the current status quo of fighting over whether or not to “extend the Bush tax cuts”.


2 posted on 12/09/2010 11:05:09 PM PST by streetpreacher (I'm not a preacher of anything; I'm just a recipient and unworthy steward of God's grace.)
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eliminating or reducing many of the popular tax breaks for businesses and individuals that cost $1 trillion annually

Based on the flawed premise that the money belongs to the government in the first place and lower taxes "costs" the government by letting people keep the money they earned in the first place.

3 posted on 12/09/2010 11:06:45 PM PST by peyton randolph (There is no such thing as moderate Islam)
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Readying himself for the next election, I see....


4 posted on 12/09/2010 11:08:46 PM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, thatÂ’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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It’s not a move to the right when you eliminate tax deductions that people have built their cash flow budgets upon.

I can guarantee you if they eliminated mortgage interest deductions while lowering the tax rate, you will find that the people who get screwed the hardest (net tax dollars) are the ones who itemize.

All you need to do is look at the rule changes each year and you will see that they are trying to make itemization less and less viable. The standard deduction (right wording??) for non-itemizers has gotten to the point where I’m willing to bet many homeowners are better off not itemizing.

What they need to do is kill all the tax “credits” and standard deduction (which make it “fair” for non itemizers). Then lower rates accordingly.

Anything they are doing where they claim deductions are a “cost” shows that they will screw taxpayers eventually.


5 posted on 12/09/2010 11:14:06 PM PST by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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Not a word about reducing spending - just new taxing revenue streams, like eliminating deductions, business expenses, etc.

The tax rules could be made easy:

Flat tax rate for everyone of a fixed percentage. e.g., 15%

Taxed on total income, not just wages - e.g., wages, dividends, capital gains - whatever you get between Jan 1 and Dec 31 no matter what the source.

Exempt first $15000 or so of income.

No deductions.

There, it’s done.

A guy making $35,000 will pay $3000.
A guy making $10,015,000 will pay $1,500,000.

That should make a liberal happy, and a conservative happy, and 64,000 IRS agents and 125,000 tax lawyers unemployed.


7 posted on 12/09/2010 11:26:21 PM PST by oldbill
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And check this out: Some DemoRats actually think Obamao is a capitalist.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/12/guest-post-secretary-of-the-navy-hatches-brilliant-plan-to-sell-more-gulf-seafood-and-transport-oil-to-the-war-zone.html

Unless Obama strongly condemns this, throws his appointee under the bus, and proves this will never happen, I’m just disgusted. btw, the anti-”capitalist” posts are a joke. Do they realy believe Obama’s capitalist?


8 posted on 12/09/2010 11:30:15 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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Why is it that everything but appropriations are on the table...? Apparently, the only questions to be resolved is who pays more when; and which government entity gets what piece of the never ending chunk of whatever private enterprise ass the dc decides to cuts off today. Maybe there is no table...?

I am so sick of this $hit.

10 posted on 12/09/2010 11:35:15 PM PST by mmercier (strange and simple rules)
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The tax code needs to completely overhauled and simplified.

I don’t why people here get so worked up about Obama.

He has absolutely no power to write the tax laws.

Only the GOP can do it and they should go for it if they got the chance.


11 posted on 12/09/2010 11:38:14 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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So old Bill Clinton is going to the White House tomorrow to program BamBam’s teleprompter. Campaign 2012 officially begins tomorrow. It is surreal to watch these people attempt to reenact campaign 1996.... We shall see how many elected Republicans suffer from short term memory loss.
13 posted on 12/09/2010 11:52:50 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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If McCain-Feingold had been serious about fighting corruption, their bill bearing their name would have been to scrap the tax code, which what people trying to “buy influence” are hoping to effect. The tax code is a huge source of corruption.


14 posted on 12/09/2010 11:53:28 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To President Obama, if you REALLY want to fix our income tax system, I suggest you read this book for starters:

Drastically cutting the cost of income tax compliance and encouraging Americans to keep their savings and capital investments in the USA under this plan would go a LONG way towards real economic recovery.

18 posted on 12/10/2010 12:36:15 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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How does raisig taxes, for whatever reason, in a depressed and overtaxed economy help?


19 posted on 12/10/2010 12:47:06 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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I’d be fine with a simple 10% flat income tax with no deductions, exemptions of credits, and leaving SS/M to be sorted out later.

But that would mean the family of four who today pay only %690/yr in Federal income tax would be paying $5,000/yr.

Since that isn’t going to fly because people want to give families a break and somehow think producers should pay higher tax rates than takers, how about this:

Three tax rates: 5%, 10%, 15%.

The 5% rate applies to the first portion of income, up to Number of filers * $15K + Number of Children * $5K. Children count twice if parents are filing jointly or if one parent is deceased.

The 10% rate applies to the next portion of income, up to Number of filers * $100K + Number of Children * $20K.

The 15% rate applies to all income above that.

No estate or gift taxes.

Corporate income tax is eliminated for earnings retained less than three years, and earnings retained longer than three years must be distributed to shareholders. Employer’s 7.65% Payroll tax is collected on all employee compensation, including the value of fringe benefits like pension contributions and health insurance. This payroll tax pays the benefits currently promised to retirees.

Employees’ 7.65% payroll tax only on wages up to $100K/yr goes into private accounts, invested in S&P 500 index funds with retirement benefits calculated at time of retirement based on annuity value and life expectancy. This is in addition to the benefit SS would have paid if they stopped working today.


20 posted on 12/10/2010 12:51:50 AM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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"Obama Weighs Tax Overhaul in Bid to Address Debt"

I bet he can't figure this out:


21 posted on 12/10/2010 12:58:45 AM PST by Cobra64
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Time to put the marxist propagandists that continue to call tax cuts a "cost" to government in the crosshairs, the right needs to get all hysterical and in the face of any degenerate marxist animal that dares utter those words.

The declining value of NYT stock, however, is a real cost to the schmucks that own it.

Never a word about spending less though, its always about increasing revenue and spending more.


32 posted on 12/10/2010 1:58:07 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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Never trust a politician when they say they are going to restructure the tax code to reduce taxes. You can bet they will end up with more taxes in the long run.

IMHO Politics is a game of tax, spend.


35 posted on 12/10/2010 2:04:03 AM PST by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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They will raise taxes. Sure it will be simple. Everyone who’s probably not a Dem will get their taxes raised. The Dems will still have the Exec, Senate & SCOTUS, the media and the foundations etc. I sincerely doubt in the middle of a housing depression they will do away with the mortgage deduction. It will harm the banks and the economy in general. They won’t do it.


40 posted on 12/10/2010 6:35:54 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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