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To: Right Wing Assault

I did as you ordered, for about an hour, but I neither saw, nor read, anything that would make me think differently.

Has anyone bothered to check whether the UPS plane changed altitude, or, if the OAT (at altitude) changed over LA, or even humidity? OR is it easier to just ASSUME that such happened?

Did anyone as themselves how the UPS plane could be moving obviously faster than sound, when it passed the little cloud?

Did anybody wonder why the “contrail” is thicker, not thinner, 200 miles away (and presumably, 20 minutes later)?

DG


250 posted on 12/13/2010 8:22:09 AM PST by DoorGunner (Romans 11:25 ...until the fullness of the Gentiles have come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved)
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To: DoorGunner
Has anyone bothered to check whether the UPS plane changed altitude, or, if the OAT (at altitude) changed over LA, or even humidity?

It was coming in for a landing at Ontario, California, and its altitude was dropping, as recorded in the FlightAware.com logs. Nobody is assuming anything.

The contrail appeared thicker 200 miles away because the winds aloft were about 80mph that day based on images from the GOES weather satellite, and they'd had about 20 minutes to spread out the distant part of the contrail.

If you look at a contrail from an actual missile launch, the difference between surface winds and winds aloft causes the upper portion of the contrail to spread differently than the lower portion.

253 posted on 12/13/2010 9:28:31 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: DoorGunner
I was going to answer some of your questions, but, then I realized that you have made so many ignorant assumptions, that, in order to do so, I would have to teach you second grade science first.

Here: Watch this video, generated with Google Earth, to get a beginner's view of what was going on. At the same time, try to gain a clue about trivia like perspective and angular velocity. Meanwhile, you will get a glimpse of the (free) tools and level of capability we are applying to this issue.

You are floundering in the dark with guesses and untutored impressions. We are applying data, facts, and sound engineering and graphical principles.

Watch the video (which was generated as a tutorial for those who are just learning Google Earth). The flight track was generated and plotted using actual RADAR data. The viewpoints were established by matching the viewpoints of the actual images and video stills discussed.

Everyhing in that video matches what was recorded by Leyvas and various still photographers. Nothing matches an outgoing missile -- and no missile could match reality as recorded on 08NOV..

Work with FACTS. Try to grasp how magnification of the image affects apparent angular velocity aross the sensor/screen. If you can't get on sound enough scientific ground to ask reasonably intelligent questions, don't expect us to do your work of providing the answers.

258 posted on 12/13/2010 11:19:42 AM PST by TXnMA (Hooptidoodle!!!)
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To: DoorGunner
Did anybody wonder why the “contrail” is thicker, not thinner, 200 miles away (and presumably, 20 minutes later)?

Last question. In your reading, I imagine you saw that some contrails grow if the humidity is high enough, rather than thin out. Numerous pictures of this are available. They also spread naturally as clouds of smoke, etc. do.

Second question mentions "moving obviously faster than sound." Where does that come from?

First question. The track of the UPS plane is probably still available. I don't know it anyone has checked altitudes. As far as the humidity, changes can be small and local and not easily determined.

BTW, have you see the San Clemente picture from December 31st 2009?

Here's the article:

http://articles.ocregister.com/2009-12-31/blogs/24546879_1_images-rocket-crystal-cove

Here's the picture.


262 posted on 12/13/2010 12:25:31 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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