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To: neverdem
In Galileo's time there was a consensus of scholars who believed that the earth was the unmoving center of the universe and that the sun, moon and planets all revolve around the earth. Anyone who was a denier of this dogma was persecuted by the Inquisition as a heretic. Galileo was a denier and used true scientific method to prove that the earth centered universe was wrong and was persecuted as a result.

Doesn't this sound more like Al Gore's consensus of scientists supporting the global warming dogma and anyone who disagrees is labeled a denier and is persecuted. No new scientific inquiry that might disprove the global warming dogma is allowed.

9 posted on 02/17/2011 7:30:59 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: The Great RJ
Al Gore would be like the Pope in Galileo's time.

He would never never seek seek communion with the Universal Church of Cool Earth Stuff.

10 posted on 02/17/2011 7:42:07 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: The Great RJ
In Galileo's time there was a consensus of scholars who believed that the earth was the unmoving center of the universe and that the sun, moon and planets all revolve around the earth.

That was indeed the solar system of Ptolemy, but by Galileo's time there was no solid consensus. Some people still remembered the heliocentric theory of Aristarchus; others were inclined to the "Tychonic" system in which the other planets revolved around the sun, but the sun went around the earth. (This was popularised by Tycho de Brahe, but had first been proposed by Hipparchus of Nicaea)

Even Cardinal Bellarmine - initially one of Galileo's covert supporters - was prepared to accept the heliocentric theory if it could be proven, and reflected that, in such a case, our understanding of the Bible would have to be revised.

Anyone who was a denier of this dogma was persecuted by the Inquisition as a heretic.

Yes, when the matter was brought to a head by Urban VIII - whom Galileo had gratuitously offended by a passage in his Dialogo sopra i due massimi sistemi del mondo - the issue was indeed sent to the Congregation of the Holy Office, which famously replied:

"[The heiocentric proposition is] Philosophically (i.e., scientifically) foolish and absurd, and is considered official heresy because it explicitly contradicts the meaning of Scripture in many places, in terms of the verbal significance of the words and in terms of the accepted interpretation and understanding of the Church Fathers and the Doctors of Theology."

Their second phrase is hard to fault, since Scripture and the Fathers do indeed say exactly that. But they give no reason for their first phrase so we have no idea why they should think heliocentrism "foolish and absurd", and moreover no hint of why scientific theories should be judged by their seeming foolishness rather than by the experimental evidence.

Indeed, two world views in collision.

11 posted on 02/17/2011 7:48:18 PM PST by John Locke
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To: The Great RJ
In Galileo's time there was a consensus of scholars who believed that the earth was the unmoving center of the universe and that the sun, moon and planets all revolve around the earth. .... Galileo was a denier and used true scientific method to prove that the earth centered universe was wrong and was persecuted as a result.

The difference between Galileo's time and now is that Galileo's accusers actually believed the earth was the center of the universe.

Gore and gang know full well their whole scheme is bogus - it's the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the world, purely for profit and power.

That makes them move evil than the pope and his inquisitors.

13 posted on 02/17/2011 8:06:29 PM PST by maine-iac7
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