Posted on 10/02/2011 8:34:56 PM PDT by Watchdog85
The radicals who are pushing the “Days of Rage” and “Occupy Wall Street” protests are blossoming in other venues. Most of them fit the definition of “useful idiots,” but they’re too ignorant a lot to even recognize that they’re being used. This whole movement is an astro-turf operation being put on by the socialist and communist front in this country. Their leadership has seen the hand-writing on the wall, as the vast bulk of the country is unhappy with the Marxist reflexes of President Obama. What they’re attempting now is to complete the revolution, and with each passing day, the situation grows more dangerous. Whether this is a dry run, or the main event is impossible to determine, but one thing is becoming more abundantly obvious: These protests are not nearly so dangerous as the ideology that now drives and propels the protesters in their rage against capitalism.
In my youth, the so-called Cold War was the focus of the struggle between liberty and statism. When the Cold War ended, the communist elements in this country came out of the woodwork and began to push their notions safely in public. Most people viewed them as impotent kooks, but their basic ideas are attractive to some, fundamentally flawed though they may be. Examined closely, what you discover is that their ideas are a collection of platitudes, but they do not answer any of the fundamental questions confronting humanity, except in one sense: What the pleasantries of their ideology leaves hanging in ambiguity is the method by which they are to achieve their utopia, and the answer is always the same: Brutal, naked force and coercion.
In the first instance, it is common for people confused about philosophy and politics to fall into the trap of believing that all systems rely upon coercion and force. This is only true when considered in the most superficial manner, but upon closer examination, a stark truth is revealed: Freedom and tyranny apply violence or its threat under very different situations. In a system based upon liberty, violence may be used only as a response to some form of aggression. In any form of statism, violence and its perpetual threat become the sole means of maintaining order.
In liberty, it is assumed that all people have certain unalienable rights that are a precondition of their existence. These are generically the rights to life, liberty, property, and volition. In any system of liberty, it is assumed that these are the requisites of a successful life. The only way in which they are yielded is by one’s own choices. To murder or steal are to violate the rights of others, and these are methods by which to yield one’s rights. Living one’s life by one’s efforts and at one’s own expense, while avoiding the violation of the rights of others should bring no negative consequences from society. Such a system can flourish with minimal government provided its people are of a character to abide by these rules. Only the system of capitalism meets the needs of liberty.
In any form of statism, it is supposed that men have no unalienable rights, and that the interests of individuals are always superseded by the state. There is no presumption of even the right to life or property, and both are subject to immediate disposal by the state. In this way, in any such system, people are perpetually subject to the arbitrary whims of the will of the state, an invisible, indefinite monster with no limits of any kind. This sort of system appeals to the immoral because it forces them to be good according to some standard they are willing to accept because it suits them, and it suits them so well only because they suspect initially that they will never be the subject of its demands.
Infamous celebrity and potential tyrant, Roseanne Barr recently stated that a limit on wages of one-hundred million dollars ought to be the standard, and any who wouldn’t yield their wealth beyond that amount ought to be beheaded. Notice that she’s a good deal wealthier than most of us, but she doesn’t imagine ever attaining one-hundred million in wealth, so she’s willing to set the bar somewhere safely out of reach above herself. Unfortunately for her, what she doesn’t realize is that somebody lower than she on this economic ladder will naturally suggest that one million dollars is sufficient, and that she too must be subject to beheading. That person may be beheaded by yet another person who says one-hundred thousand is enough, and so on, until you get all the way down to the person who suggests that any who have anything ought to be subject to this punishment for “excessive wealth.”
Statism is an official, government-compelled race to the bottom, with coercion and violence as its sole methodology. The protesters now rising in demonstration in New York, and in Boston, and elsewhere around the country understand this quite well. Their presence isn’t aimed at any peaceful purpose, but instead to state their threats by sheer volume. They don’t even realize that they are to be used as fodder when things get out of hand. When the real violence begins, those who led them will slip out of the way, and avoid culpability and consequence leaving their dirty work to the mindless mob that believes in the tyranny of the mob. This has been the great object of everything Barack Obama has undertaken as President, and his economic policy is designed to create this environment. In order to become the greater tyrant he intends to become, he is waiting for a signal, and it’s already starting: “Make it stop.”
This is their goal. They wish to push the American people to make that appeal to government. If violence begins in earnest, the calls for the federal government to step in will escalate. This is the excuse for which Obama now waits. Many among us now watch and wonder, believing this cannot go so far as to set aside all we had known in our America. It’s your job to tell them, you who had known better, that the purpose of this spectacle is to steal their rights and all the liberty they had known. It’s time for some frank talk with our friends, family, and neighbors. It’s time to switch off the football game long enough to make this clear to people who haven’t been paying sufficient attention, lest they be drawn in too. It won’t take much to push us over the edge now, and if we are to prevent it, we must prepare them for what is coming, to save their lives along with our own. Yes, it has become as important as that. Yes, it’s time to talk with those around you, and while it may be uncomfortable at first, you may also be surprised at how well they understand. The defense of the Republic should begin belatedly now, and it must begin with you.
“I suspect that before November 12, Obama and his goons will invoke martial law and put a halt to all elections. I do not trust this government”
I’ll see your paranioa and raise you 90 million gun owners.
He doesnt have the balls...nor do his supporters...
Bill Ayers
And what are your goals to tax the rich
Hope it works out for you
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QUE? not in the least ... Do you not see the $16 trillion spent by the Fed and taxing you through inflation as a problem?
I’m just saying that we need to perform political Jui-Jitsu and use this to our advantage ... clean out some of the corruption , take the focus off of the (unfocused) demands of the crowd ... perfect opportunity to co-opt the situation ,, not with thousands of conservatives (we all have jobs after all) but by leaders like Newt that have no chance of winning anything but can get airtime and turn the focus.
Van Jones/Soros can be dealt with by having a conservative take the white house next year .. RIGHT NOW we need to get in front of this ... There is lots of material here to work with .
“Bill Ayers”
An entire crop of them...now in power...
And their useful idiots march in the streets...because they know they are about to loose that power again...
Beck was right on the money with this and way out in front of the curve...
Freaky...
“I don’t know that they are Communists”
Then look closer..because they ARE...and trust me...what they want is nothing close to what you can imagine wanting...
You want reform...they want destruction.
He doesnt have the balls...nor do his supporters...
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He is staring right down the GUNWALKER barrel at impeachment... anything is possible .. and conservatives are famous for sitting on their asses when they should be geting busy. It isn’t a lack of “balls” on the part of conservatives ,, the problem would be a lack of a central target for protests if this comes around (and free movement is curtailed).
You are correct!
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George Soros and Van Jones have there hands all over of this protest. And what are your goals to tax the rich******************************************************************************************************************IMHO this is Van Jones “bottom up..top down.. inside out “ thing
Obama may be wounded and cornered, but he still has the Roman Senate in his back pocket. If the House impeaches him, the Senate wont vote to convict. Obama knows Bill Clinton survived that scenario. Been there, done that. Best thing to do is not give Obama the justification to impose Martial Law and suspend elections. And of course the useful idiots are being led along like a bunch of lemmings into doing just what Obama needs. Without their crony politicians, the banksters have no game.
That’s what the Coptic Christians said in Egypt, too.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
No. Attempting to co-opt is a foolish notion on *so many* levels.
I know a sure cure if they get too frisky..
Dude, like, stop hittin’ the bong man. Seriously, get a life and go peddle that commie crap somewhere else.
I recently worked in the title insurance industry, litigating a lot of mortgage foreclosures and I can state from personal knowledge of the actual issues and facts in these cases that there has been no forgery, fraud on the court or destruction of the land title system.
The issue is primarily that the mortgage companies who were trying to foreclose massive numbers of mortgages tried to use some paperwork shortcuts, such as robo-signing, document signing by people who did not actually perform due dilligence regarding the underlying note and mortgage obligations and shortcuts in regard to how the actual original loan documents are warehoused or otherwise handled in a complex mortgage market where the underlying monetary obligation is sold multiple times.
I’m not a defender of banks and they certainly have used their massive economic weight and lobbying influence to get sweet bailout deals, but the charge you make is inaccurate. They are guilty of sloppiness and cutting corners, but not forgery, fraud or harm to the land title recording system.
Let me amend my comment by saying that if there are any cases involving fraud or forgery by banks, they are a tiny, tiny number of cases where there were individual bad people trying to pull something off, not that the banks have a policy or process to deliberately forge or commit forgery. I was wrong to state so categorically that there isn’t any forgery or fraud, but if there is, it is a miniscule problem that has been part of society for a long time.
“I suspect that before November 12, Obama and his goons will invoke martial law and put a halt to all elections.”
A couple of his kindergarten play mates have already mentioned it
They are guilty of sloppiness and cutting corners, but not forgery, fraud or harm to the land title recording system.
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What is MERS if not a neutron bomb aimed at every county clerks office?
Why are foreclosures going forward in the name of Countrywide? America’s Wholesale Lender? Option One Mortgage? Why did DocX exist? they were a wholesale forgery mill operated by LPS ... Why are assignments being created 3,4,5 years after the fact, in the name of defunct entities , signed by secretaries at the foreclosure mills as bank officers? swearing firsthand knowledge?
Why are banks/trustees/servicers continuing to collect payments on mortgages that don’t exist as they were sold/liquidated when certificates were created ?? Or long after AIG paid off on entire trusts ... or paid by TARP ...
What about “mortgages” where the funder isn’t on the note ,, only an entity pretending to be the funder who is nothing but a straw man collecting a comission... on top of the comission collected by the storefront “lender” .
I can understand you not wanting to acknowledge the fraud as your title business (in this environment) depends on you pulling a “Seargant Shultz” routine but the facts are there to be seen in every file I pull ... The Florida Bar reports that only 16% of mortgage related/title docs are correct and valid.
I’ve got thick skin, but it’s pretty tactless to call a FReeper named JewishRighter Sargent Schultz. I don’t have a “title business” but I was a lawyer in the industry recently, so I had an inside view of what you are talking about. Your post reminds me about one of Rush Limbaugh’s great formulas (paraphrasing): “It’s not the quality of the evidence, but the severity of the charge”. You are making a lot of severe charges, but you really don’t have any evidence.
Let me boil down this debate to fundamentals rather than getting embroiled in charges and counter-charges. The underlying fundamental is the law of contracts. The context is borrowing and lending money and loans secured by mortgages. The contract is the buyer promises to repay money on certain terms to the lender. If the buyer fails to repay in accordance with the terms of the loan, the lender can exercise certain remedies, including foreclosure.
Before we get into the status of the particular loan documentation, a simple truth remains: the borrower borrowed the money, had the benefit of the money and owes the money. All the screaming and shouting about the nefarious deeds committed with the loan documentation don’t alter this simple truth. As I said, the banks, servicing companies and other players may have made a hash out of figuring out who is entitled to payments or to foreclose, but that, too, simply doesn’t alter the underlying simple legal principle: the borrower must repay the loan or suffer one of the remedies for default.
Again, as I said before, my general statements should not be misconstrued: of course, there are cases of fraud and other dishonest acts, but they are a tiny percentage. The rest is a paperwork nightmare and nothing more.
I’ve got thick skin, but it’s pretty tactless to call a FReeper named JewishRighter Sargent Schultz. I don’t have a “title business” but I was a lawyer in the industry recently, so I had an inside view of what you are talking about. Your post reminds me about one of Rush Limbaugh’s great formulas (paraphrasing): “It’s not the quality of the evidence, but the severity of the charge”. You are making a lot of severe charges, but you really don’t have any evidence.
Let me boil down this debate to fundamentals rather than getting embroiled in charges and counter-charges. The underlying fundamental is the law of contracts. The context is borrowing and lending money and loans secured by mortgages. The contract is the buyer promises to repay money on certain terms to the lender. If the buyer fails to repay in accordance with the terms of the loan, the lender can exercise certain remedies, including foreclosure.
Before we get into the status of the particular loan documentation, a simple truth remains: the borrower borrowed the money, had the benefit of the money and owes the money. All the screaming and shouting about the nefarious deeds committed with the loan documentation don’t alter this simple truth. As I said, the banks, servicing companies and other players may have made a hash out of figuring out who is entitled to payments or to foreclose, but that, too, simply doesn’t alter the underlying simple legal principle: the borrower must repay the loan or suffer one of the remedies for default.
Again, as I said before, my general statements should not be misconstrued: of course, there are cases of fraud and other dishonest acts, but they are a tiny percentage. The rest is a paperwork nightmare and nothing more.
PS. I have no financial interest in the mortgage industry. On the contrary, I wish I could think of a way to get out of paying my mortgage ;)
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