Posted on 10/04/2011 7:34:16 PM PDT by TaraP
the 1969 novel & movie starring Maximilian Schell and Brian Keith? Always wondered... 
how the writer and film producers got Krakatoa... 
east of Java?
If red Xs above go to http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sMXBbmPt5D4/SK2aToHMOLI/AAAAAAAAAdg/Hw0fYR3IgYg/s400/Krakatoa.jpg and/or http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40700000/gif/_40700043_indo_sum_krak_map203.gif
ELAINE: What did you think, that would impress me?
JERRY: You got it ALL wrong. I was thinking only of the poor Krakatoans
ELAINE: Like you this donation for 50 bucks and I’d start tearing my clothes off?
JERRY: Those brave Krakatoans East of Java. who sacrifice so much for so long.
ELAINE: Now you’re being audited because of it. You see That’s Karma.
JERRY: No, that’s Krama.
(Seinfeld ping. Support our Krakatoans!)
Hummmmmmm? Had you read the post #2 stefanbatory's "that would also explain Europe’s slipping into the Dark Ages..." was replying was to, you would have noticed that muawiyah said, "Way back in the 500s Krakatao or another one or maybe several in different parts of the world went off in close succession to each other and the Chinese were able to record in the royal annals "A Loud Noise" ~ then they promptly fell into 300 years of Dark Age without civilization or wealth."
In fact, many have "...postulated that a violent volcanic eruption, possibly of Krakatoa, in 535 AD may have been responsible for the global climate changes of 535–536 AD." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa
You need to read before you leap to the wrong conclusion
I thought midieval SUV’s caused that climate change?
The Icelandic volcanoes, which are going off all the time, can spew Fluorine, and that can roll over an area and destroy all plant and animal life.
That's pretty consistent with the few records of the time in Northern and Western Europe.
What that means is a rather modest volcano belching the right stuff can be more damaging than an enormous continent buster.
Let me give you an idea of how big it was ~ before it happened Sumatra and Java were reported to be one island ~ not two. The survivors (people and animals) all lived on the far side of mountains between them and Krakatoa. There was a tsunami and that's readily discovered ~ and so on.
The 19th century explosion was NOSING compared to that earlier one.
I have an interest in the Island of Penang. When Admiral He arrived there in the late 14th or early 15th century to establish a forward base for the Ming (for world exploration) the Chinese set to work CREATING soil. The island was essentially barren except up the central mountain area. I think that goes up about 4,000 feet ~ pretty obvious that a tsunami roared up the Sunda strait and cleared the territory.
Recently the remains of a building was discovered on the Penang mainland (which is connected by a bridge with Penang Island) ~ it dated from the late 6th century ~ or maybe very early 7th century. That's the ONLY building found there that old.
Much of Indonesia and Malaysia was repopulated from India after that event. Still, if you check into the DNA in the Malay you quickly discover that they obviously have extensive Chinese ancestry dating back thousands of years. BTW, China is the BIG civilization to the North and India to the West so they both contribute people and traditions, and technology. Yet when Europeans began arriving in the region in the 15th century the whole area still had only traces of civilization on the coasts with headhunters and cannibals inland. They'd obviously suffered a serious setback in the fairly recent past. Probably that Krakatoa explosion or another one in the region we don't yet know about.
Man, that's hugh! Over a mile!
Who keeps waking me up!
Pic of you in all your gorgeousness!
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(Professor Mike Baillie)
"His latest book, New Light on the Black Death: The Cosmic Connection (Tempus, 2006), shows how the tree-ring and Greenland ice core evidence and descriptions in annals, myths and metaphors adduced in support of the global environmental downturn at AD 540, which included the Justinian plague, also applies to conditions extant at the time of the Black Death in AD 1348.
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Funny you use "Tu quoque" as your two posts are a classic example of drawing a conclusion which is not supported by the premises of the argument.
Your original post 'Krakatoa erupted in 1883, about 1400 years after the start of the "dark ages."' was in response to stefanbatory's post to muawiyah saying, "Way back in the 500s Krakatoa or another one or maybe several in different parts of the world went off in close succession to each other and the Chinese were able to record in the royal annals "A Loud Noise" ~ then they promptly fell into 300 years of Dark Age without civilization or wealth."
Yet when I pointed this out to you, you come back with an argument that totally ignores what you originally said that Krakatoa erupted in 1883 some 1400 years after the start of the dark ages. You see, stefanbatory, nor muawiyah, never mentioned the 1883 eruption, yet you base your statement on one or both saying or implying just that.
So, no mater what you read or did not read, your leaps into wrong conclusions are well documented here by your own hand that no solid ground was involved at all in anything you said on this thread.
There may be little datable charcoal from that 535 AD eruption to have been found, but little means that some has actually been found and dated as opposed to nothing viable at all being offered in your two post. However, you have provided more than enough to prove that you charged ahead with logical fallacy as your main argument not once, but twice.
There is no need to further discuss this as I am of the age where I do not have to nor do I care to suffer fools or waste my time with them and you have proved that neither fact or logic will sway your wrong opinions or your glee to express them.
So, in closing with you for good, as you appear to dabble with Latin, may I offer this as to what you have painted yourself into: A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi
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