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AZ Congressman: Obama admin may be ACCESSORY TO MURDER with Fast and Furious
TheDC ^ | October 5, 2011 | Matthew Boyle

Posted on 10/05/2011 10:01:15 AM PDT by matthewreporter

Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller the Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder.

“We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity — where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals — where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”

Gosar said the government should be held to the same standard as everyone else. Fast and Furious weapons were used to kill U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, as well as scores of Mexican citizens, and he thinks that administration officials should be held accountable.

“We impugn the private sector, we impugn main street America, and the bureaucracy cannot be held to any different standard whatsoever,” Gosar told TheDC. “They [the Justice Department and ATF officials] intentionally — intentionally — violated the law.”

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arizona; atf; az; banglist; castaway; cia; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama
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To: Spktyr

>The interesting thing is that even if everyone involved gets a Presidential pardon... Mexico is still going to want them and we have an extradition treaty with them.
>And Presidential pardons do not apply to crimes committed in or against foreign nations.

Interesting; would you happen to know if the Presidential pardon is effective against [Grand Jury] presentments?

And what of local (non-federal) Grand Juries; conceivably a presidential pardon would not carry over to crimes against the various States because of the 10th Amendment. If that be the case then considering that most States themselves have treason defined in their State Constitutions they could be charged individually by the States for Treason [against that State]. I should think AZ would have an easy time of it, as they can point to F&F, and the federal refusal to enforce immigration law (and also refusing to uphold Art 4 Sec 4 of the US Constitution) as all individually — and undoubtedly collectively — giving aid and comfort to the enemies of AZ, to wit the Mexican cartels.


61 posted on 10/05/2011 4:51:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Razzz42

You slander Reagan. Your a creep.


62 posted on 10/05/2011 4:57:35 PM PDT by angcat (NEW YORK YANKEES!)
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To: matthewreporter
It would be funny if we find out that this “Fast and Furious” gun walking program was Michele Obamas idea. Maybe one of the Kids gave him this idea at the dinner table?
63 posted on 10/05/2011 5:21:20 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: P-Marlowe
“Someone is going to start singing and soon. This is probably the biggest scandal in American History.”

AK-47’s sold to drug cartels .... by our own justice department? This is insanity or treason. Holder and Obama should be locked up for life. These people really do hate America. AK-47’s ? OMG.

64 posted on 10/05/2011 5:38:31 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Roccus
I was wondering about ballistic evidence. I thought the tests done on the originally known two were inconclusive. (not saying I believe that). I had not heard that the bullets that killed Terry had been matced to either those two or the now uncovered third.

Exactly. As early as last July, BATFE was still leaking the info that the ballistics testing was *inconclusive.* And it was reported around the end of that month that that was not the case. FBI report at odds with ATF claim on weapons

65 posted on 10/05/2011 6:59:12 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: matthewreporter

bump


66 posted on 10/05/2011 7:15:35 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: TigersEye

On 1120 KMOX today, they reported that the Bush “incident” involved a man who was buying several guns from a gun dealer, who called the ATF about the legal, but in his mind, suspicious sale. The customer came back to purchase more, and the ATF sent an agent to watch him from the parking lot. The ATF approved the sale, presumably because there was nothing they could do to deny it.

How that is in any way equal to Fast and Furious is only something a liberal mind could come up with.


67 posted on 10/05/2011 8:41:53 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: scott7278
The agents in that report describe that kind of action as what they did all the time in the past. Never before did they let the guns get out of their control, even if they let the straw buyer transfer it so a second party, and they don't call that "walking" in their world. "Walking" only pertains to purposely letting the guns disappear out of their reach and they all say they never did that before in any operation or for any agency.

The lib-media and Rats are going to have to try to blow major smoke to sell "Bush did it too" with all the agents who have lined up to out this fiasco saying the opposite.

68 posted on 10/05/2011 8:51:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

The Democrats claimed that the Mexican violence was due to US guns. Then the statistics showed very few crimes were committed by US guns, SO the administration decided they wanted to change that. By Fast and Furious selling guns to the gangs, they could blame America and institute gun control laws.


69 posted on 10/05/2011 9:36:00 PM PDT by Angel
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To: crosshairs

Yeah, but not as federally funded government programs. Klinton’s death list were more or less extra-cirricular, other than Waco and Ruby Ridge. Of course they were terrible but the do pale in comparison to this.


70 posted on 10/05/2011 9:51:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Outrageous! Shameful! I grieve for the families of the victims, and for our government to be this infested with corrupt, cancerous maggots.


71 posted on 10/05/2011 11:22:11 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: matthewreporter
May be????

There is no may be to it.

Ricky and Racky supplied the murder weapon. How is this a may be?

72 posted on 10/06/2011 12:57:09 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: archy

Thank you


73 posted on 10/06/2011 1:43:19 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I think there was pnly one single case where they tried to attach gps tracking devices to the weapons. The main idea was, as unbelievable as it sounds, to track the weapons by waiting for them to show up at crime scenes in Mexico, where the Mexican law enforcement would find them and request an ATF trace on them.

That fact, to me, lends a lot of credence to the theory that this was just an attempt to gin up support for gun control by pumping up the statistics of guns trafficked to Mexico from the US.


74 posted on 10/06/2011 9:50:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

And the one single case was an agent—without the okay or support of his superiors—bought a gps tracker at radio shack and paid for it out of his own pocket.


75 posted on 10/06/2011 10:17:40 AM PDT by Sal (We want to run against Obama because he's the weakest boob since Carter. Even way worse.)
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To: matthewreporter

Dr. Paul Gosar is my Representative. I am so proud of him for his work with Issa on this. Issa described Dr. Gosar as very tough in his work on this issue in the Oversight Committee and I think that proves true by this very strong PUBLIC statement.

I did get on his case when he voted for the Continuing Resolution and to raise the debt limit, but this makes me proud and lucky to have him as my Rep!


76 posted on 10/06/2011 10:23:00 AM PDT by Sal (We want to run against Obama because he's the weakest boob since Carter. Even way worse.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Can someone please explain to me how “Fast and Furious” was supposed to work?

It never worked.

Look at your violent borders. There is now a war on the Texas border, tens of thousands have been murdered in Mexico and in the border regions.

And what did your government do? Instead of securing our borders, they ALLOWED these AH's take weapons from the U.S. into Mexico...Knowing damn well once they cross the borders, they went into a black hole...No way they were going to follow them. That was all BS.

The entire operation going way back, was no doubt designed to cause epic violence, and in the end, they would have an excuse to implement more punitive control over law abiding citizens and their 2nd Amendment rights, right here in the U.S.

77 posted on 10/06/2011 10:42:08 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Bigtigermike
No! there was no GPS system tracking the guns..

Everything going into the realm of the cartels is swept for GPS & electronic surveillance devises. We know this. The feds know this.

The cartels are now worth billions. They control half of Mexico. Why would they take chances?

This is all a concocted sham with extremely devious motives.

78 posted on 10/06/2011 10:50:11 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: fs10198

“I’d say Criminal Negligent Homicide.”

Not just a violation of United States Law , and a violation of Mexican Law , since it went across international borders it is now subject to the UN , and “The Hague” as an international incident.

As such , prosecution can occur on any one , or all three of those jurisdictions . This is the equivelent of arming criminal pirates (drug cartels).


80 posted on 10/06/2011 6:02:14 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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