Posted on 12/13/2011 7:52:37 PM PST by Mozilla
True.
“There’s a possibility he’d hurt Zero more than our GOP candidate.”
He might.
“And yes, a large portion of his apostles support him because of his Drugs-for-everybody stance. This isn’t my first rodeo.”
OK. So you’re used to spreading that rumor and not being challenged on it. It makes no sense, As a practical matter, anyone who is seeking legal pot need only relocate to Colorado, California, Maine or several other states that have readily available “medical marijuana.”
But I guess it’s easier to bandy about a few tired canards catch-phrases than it is to debate.
“Characterizing Ron Paul as presidential material is a tired canard.”
What constitutes “Presidential material.” The current occupant of the White House?
IF, and I think it’s a huge and very big IF Ron Paul gets enough votes, he’ll be in a position to be President. He seems to be getting some traction. If he wasn’t, no one here including myself would be commenting on it.
“But it’s actually very, very good news from a movement conservative’s perspective, as Willard Mitt Romney is no longer even a factor in anyone’s scenario.”
Good point. While neither Ron Paul nor Newt Gingrich make my top 3, they’re better than having mittens in there.
“Paul will not be on the final ballot, so this stuff is all for show.”
I respectfully disagree. I think he’s going to go third party. He’s already done it once before.
“Ron Paul will never have support on FR.”
There have always been libertarians on FR. While I agree that Ron Paul will will never be the most popular candidate on FR, he will have supporters here. How vocal and visible they are will depend on how JimRob and the mods deal with them.
Also, barky never received support on FR either, yet he won the election.
I am in Iowa. Iowa is a closed caucus state, not open primary. Remember that most people get their candidate positions from television commercials. Paul is resounding with people due to his ad that states he will cut one trillion dollars from the federal budget and eliminate five federal agencies. Viewers of that ad do not know about his horrible position on foreign policy as it relates to our strategic alliance with Israel. Also, Paul has huge support with college students. Many of these college supporters are not Iowans, but are registered to vote in Iowa because they register when they first come to Iowa to attend college. Our caucus is held January 3rd, when college students are on break and back in their home states. They therefore will not be attending Iowa caucus. Paul is over-polling due to this.
from the poll data/info which to me indicates Paul’s numbers are very fluid:
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-59% of likely voters participated in the 2008 Republican caucus and they support Gingrich 26-18. But among the 41% of likely voters who are ‘new’ for 2012 Paul leads Gingrich 25-17 with Romney at 16%. Paul is doing a good job of bringing out folks who haven’t done this before.
-He’s also very strong with young voters. Among likely caucus goers under 45 Paul is up 30-16 on Gingrich. With those over 45, Gingrich leads him 26-15 with Romney at 17%.
-Among Republicans Gingrich leads Paul 25-17. But with voters who identify as Democrats or independents, 21% of the electorate in a year with no action on the Democratic side, Paul leads Gingrich 34-14 with Romney at 17%.
Young voters, independents, and folks who haven’t voted in caucuses before is an unusual coalition for a Republican candidate...the big question is whether these folks will really come out and vote...if they do, we could be in for a big upset.
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This would be a great time for everyone to get behind Gov. Perry. [unless of course President Paul sounds good to you]
lol Where is that trillion coming from again ? From Paul, the biggest porker of them all ? Gingrich may rue the day he boxed himself in prematurely by refusing to go negative.
Good point. While neither Ron Paul nor Newt Gingrich make my top 3, they’re better than having mittens in there.ftw!
Going out of bounds into ad hominem hit pieces that exploit and manipulate the fears of your audience by taking a candidate’s words and actions out of context is one thing. Negative ads that point out the risks associated with an opponent in a way that is relevant and fair is necessary. If a candidate’s opponent is a crook or a bad person (like Gingrich), then he or she (Paul) should be able to tell the public about it.
Paul and reality--the great divide.
There was only one with a red face getting all puffed up and offering a $10,000 bet. LOL...Perry was outstanding.
Romney was like the kid on the playground betting a million dollars he was right. Seriously, I expected him to accuse Perry's mother of wearing combat boots.
You forget their little dustup over immigration.
God help us all if Paul take Iowa. You state that it would be because of his anti-Gingrich message. That and he has a legion of misled folks who haven’t stopped to really think about what he is saying. Critical thinking is so hard for some folks. The only think he has going is the Fed thing. He would be dangerous as president because of his foreign policy.
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