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Ron Paul supporters threaten Atlanta family with rape, death
Examiner.com ^ | Jan. 14, 2012 | Joe Newby , Spokane Conservative Examiner

Posted on 01/15/2012 1:27:57 AM PST by Mozilla

Jere Brower, his wife Clara, and his 4-year-old daughter Ana, have a very good reason to believe Texas Congressman Ron Paul when he said people view his supporters as "dangerous."

The 38-year-old Atlanta man and his family have been targeted by militant Ron Paul supporters, one of whom threatened to "kneecap" him, then rape his wife and young daughter. Mr. Brower said he has also received death threats from supporters of Ron Paul.

The trouble started when Brower and some of his Facebook friends decided to have a laugh over Ron Paul's ties to racist and anti-semitic groups.

He wrote a post on Facebook intended to be a joke, but some Paul supporters took it seriously - too seriously.

"If you live in South Carolina and want to have some fun with these Paulbots here is what we do," he wrote.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Georgia; US: South Carolina; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012; 911truther; anabrower; atlanta; clarabrower; facebook; georgia; jerebrower; lewrockwell; libertarians; randpaultruthfile; ronpaul; ronpaultruthfile; southcarolina; texas; worstprimaryever
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Ron Paul kooks are getting unhinged.
1 posted on 01/15/2012 1:28:03 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

They were already unhinged. This is usual behavior among them. These Paul supporters share, in general, the psychology of communists.


2 posted on 01/15/2012 1:33:14 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Mozilla

“Getting”?

When were they ever *not* unhinged?

Man, I hope the Mothership comes for them soon.


3 posted on 01/15/2012 1:42:49 AM PST by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Mozilla

Is this for real? I know some of his people are kooks; but would they actually go this far?


4 posted on 01/15/2012 1:43:01 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Mozilla

Typical overreaction of fringe elements. I have little sympathy for the guy though - he brought it upon himself by calling for such action against Paul. He crossed a line and is paying the price. Unfortunately, now the taxpayer is repsonsible for keeping this guy safe from his own stupidity ...


5 posted on 01/15/2012 1:43:08 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

I would post something, but then I might unhinge the radical Ron Paul elements and then be open to ‘getting what I deserve’.


6 posted on 01/15/2012 2:14:44 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Mozilla
The trouble started when Brower and some of his Facebook friends decided to have a laugh...

How does he know these are Ron Paul supporters making the threats? Couldn't they be some of Brower's friends continuing the joke?

7 posted on 01/15/2012 2:33:17 AM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: MestaMachine; little jeremiah; TitansAFC; mnehring; Allegra; Old Sarge; lormand; llandres; ...

Ping!


8 posted on 01/15/2012 2:34:52 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: freekitty

Sure. Look what they did to my old blog at Townhall:

http://townhall.com/youropinion/comments.aspx?g=32c6c353-5dfe-457f-8b7e-bf13f2e8641a


9 posted on 01/15/2012 2:40:55 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Kartographer

Being responsible for the actions you take and “getting what you deserve” are two separate things.


10 posted on 01/15/2012 2:54:35 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Mozilla
Gee, I remember this same stuff being said about those in the teaparty movement.

It is so easy to smear someone now.

11 posted on 01/15/2012 2:54:51 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Not to the unhinged. I am 100% positive I will get nasty rude comments from Paul supporters for no more than what I have already posted, but will that be what I deserve or am I just not taking responsibility for my actions?


12 posted on 01/15/2012 3:09:37 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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So one guy does a post about how funny it would be to dress up in Klan garb and harass a political candidate....but some folks don’t get his sense of humor.

Then other folks respond to his post thinking it would be funny to make rediculous threats......but some folks don’t get their sense of humor.


13 posted on 01/15/2012 3:23:52 AM PST by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Recalling what happened with Mr. Cain he had to ASK FOR Secret Service protection.

Unless Paul asks for it he's on his own and the taxpayers are not yet paying for his safety.

14 posted on 01/15/2012 3:23:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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The victim, alas, destroys the credibility of his argument that he is afraid by placing the blame on Paulbot fringe elements rather than on Ron Paul and his hard-core Paulbots.

It's the whole shebang that's dangerous ~ not just the idiots going after him and his family.

I'd like to see an independent body verify that the campaign nominating petitions submitted by Paul were really OK (under Pat Mullin's rules).

They gave a "bye" to Romney, but considering the dead bodies already surrounding that signature verification process, did they really validate the Paul signatures or were they simply afraid of doing so?

15 posted on 01/15/2012 3:30:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mozilla

I think those are some of the more rational PaulTards from what I’ve seen around here.


16 posted on 01/15/2012 3:43:40 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Mozilla

Look how far they are going, eveb buying a domain name in his name and putting up a webpage http://www.jerebrower.com/


17 posted on 01/15/2012 3:54:54 AM PST by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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Ron Paul supports legal dope and prostitution
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/06/Ron_Paul_on_Prostitution_Gay_Marriage/

Starts half way in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mz9pDGHBTo&feature=related


Nevada prostitutes endorse Ron Paul
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/nevada-prostitutes-endorse-ron-paul/


White supremecist David Duke endorses Ron Paul;
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-he%E2%80%99s-voting-for-ron-paul/


Ron Paul refuses to disavow STORMFRONT associations
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45537/ron-paul-refuses-to-disavow-stormfront-other-anti-semitic-racist-groups-openly-campaigning-for-him/


Ron Paul SUPPORTS NAMBLA
http://videosift.com/video/Does-Ron-Paul-Support-NAMBLA-Well-yes-and-no
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1


Why do the Ron Paul guys support gay marriage?
http://www.queerty.com/ron-paul-on-gay-marriage-20071210/


the 2008 RONULAN economic advisor to Ron paul saying that libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
Libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP

VIDEO of Schiff saying just that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncLTFoTFa8


An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/


While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.

On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90


Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dECSYm5bSM


A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”

Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”

Additional video proof of him saying this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c


And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/


Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
http://dailypaul.com/node/125999


This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2007/08/ron_pauls_ufo_sighter_friends.php


How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul? Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message462483/pg1


Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/rep-paul-codepink-camp-israel-aid-opposition/


Ron Paul and his acolytes are following George Soros on the defense of our nation, and connections between the two have been proved
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/02/ron-pauls-soros-defense-plan/


Tehran TV LOVES Ron Paul!

http://www.aim.org/special-report/tehran-tv-loves-ron-paul/


Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition


Glenn Beck exposes Ron Paul’s ties to Soros. Does it shock you, or does it do much to explain why Ron Paul is friendly with “Bawney” Frank and almost as bad as Obama is when it comes to illegal aliens and Islam? Listen to video please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM


Dennis Prager point sout Ron Paul’s lunacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qqHAoXRVk4g


Ron Paul says he is against the NDAA bill, so why didn’t he VOTE AGAINST it??
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/ron-paul-supporters-claim-he-opposes-the-ndaa-so-why-didnt-he-vote-on-it/


Ron Paul supporters quizzed on the Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISuQAdKWuR8&feature=g-all-u&context=G2591ab9FAAAAAAAACAA


As homosexual Army soldier Bradley Manning’s treason trial continues at Fort Meade, Maryland, the support he has received from Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been curiously ignored by the major media, now touting Paul as someone who could win the January 3 Iowa Republican Caucuses. Paul has called Manning, a crossdresser with acknowledged mental problems, a “hero” and “patriot” for stealing government secrets and providing them to WikiLeaks.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2011/12/21/kincaid-ron-paul-says-accused-traitor-is-a-patriot/


While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Paul said. Both groups are fed up with problems in Washington and “the two-party-system,” Paul said while speaking at an insurance company in Des Moines. Praising the left-wing Occupy Wall Street movement is an unusual move for a Republican presidential candidate, but Ron Paul is, of course, an unusual Republican presidential candidate. He jumped to first place in the Iowa caucus polls partly because of support from people who aren’t Republicans. His comments that members of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are unhappy with the “two-party system” could fuel speculation that Paul will make a third-party bid of his own—something he has not ruled out.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ron-paul-praises-occupy-wall-street_614967.html


Iran wants nuclear weapons because you gain respect with them:
Apparently alluding to Israel and its nuclear-weapons arsenal, Paul said that “if I were an Iranian, I’d like to have a nuclear weapon, too, because you gain respect from them.”
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/ron-paul-tells-iowa-voters-says-iran-needs-nuclear-weapons-to-%E2%80%9Cgain-respect%E2%80%9D-from-israel-u-s-sanctions-are-an-act-of-war/


Ron Paul (pictured) has a lot of racist supporters, including white supremacist website Stormfront, conspiracy theorist group the John Birch Society and neo-Confederates who believe that the South was right during the civil war. And the support is mutual. While Paul would like you to believe that his connection to racism ended with his newsletters, he has continued to address this group well into the 21st century. Take a look at Ron Paul’s top 10 most-racist supporters.

See Also: Black History Book Showcases Detailed Past
http://www.theroot.com/views/book-shows-black-history-stunning-breadth

10. Willis Carto

Willis Carto is a holocaust denier, Hitler admirer and a white supremacist. A former campaigner for segregationist candidate George Wallace, Carto founded the National Alliance with William Pierce, the author of the “Turner Diaries,” which is credited for inspiring Timothy McVeigh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Carto founded the Populist Party in 1984 and ran David Duke as a presidential candidate. Carto also founded the American Free Press, which is labeled as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), where Paul’s column runs. Paul has not sued Carto for running his column or explained how it wound up in a white supremacist publication. The New York Times writes that Paul used the subscription list to a white supremacist publication of Carto’s to solicit donations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?pagewanted=all

9. Chuck Baldwin

Chuck Baldwin is a neo-Confederate New World Order conspiracy theorist
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2009/cbarchive_20090127.html
who praises the confederacy and its leaders, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and calls the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.” Baldwin writes a weekly column on the white supremacist site Vdare and is a proud supporter of American militia movements. Baldwin is also an Islamaphobe and homophobe.

Not only did Baldwin endorse Paul for president in 2007, but Paul returned the favor, endorsing Baldwin, who he calls his “friend,” for president in 2008. While Paul was quick to criticize Michele Bachmann for her Islamaphobia, he has said nothing about Baldwin’s, the man he endorsed for president. Here are some choice quotes from Baldwin:
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin297.htm

I believe homosexuality is moral perversion and deserves no special consideration under the law.
I believe the South was right in the War Between the States, and I am not a racist.
I believe there is a conspiracy by elitists within government and big business to steal America’s independence.
The Muslim religion has been a bloody, murderous religion since its inception.

8. Don Black

Don Black is a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, a current member of the American Nazi Party, and the owner and operator of the white supremacist site Stormfront. Black regularly organizes “money bombs” for Ron and Rand Paul and has even taken a picture with Ron Paul, who refused to return donations from Black and Stormfront even with the political tradition of not accepting donations from people who seem unfit. Black, who was sentenced to three years in jail for trying to overthrow the Caribbean country of Dominica in 1981, supports Paul through his Twitter account and on message boards for Stormfront.

Black told the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1
that it was Paul’s newsletters that inspired him to be a supporter:

That was a big part of his constituency, the paleoconservatives who think there are race problems in this country.

7. Lew Rockwell

Lew Rockwell is a close friend and adviser of Paul’s who served as his congressional chief of staff between 1978 and 1982, worked as a paid consultant for Paul for more than 20 years, and was an editor and alleged ghost writer for his racist newsletters. Rockwell formed the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, which Paul still has a close working relationship with.

The Ludwig Von Mises Institute is listed by the SPLC as a neo-Confederate organization.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2003/summer/into-the-mainstream?page=0,1#11
They also add that Rockwell said that the Civil War “transformed the American regime from a federalist system based on freedom to a centralized state that circumscribed liberty in the name of public order” and that the Civil Rights Movement was the “involuntary servitude” of (presumably white) business owners. Rockwell was listed as one of the racist League of the South’s founding members but denies membership. Rockwell regularly posts articles on his website, attacking a New World Order conspiracy.

6. David Duke

David Duke is a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and candidate for Governor of Louisiana. Duke is also a New World Order conspiracy theorist
http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-lies-of-globalism_11.html
who believes that Jews control the Federal Reserve. On his website, Duke proudly boasts about the endorsements and kind words that Paul gave him in his newsletters and in turn endorses Paul for president:
http://www.davidduke.com/general/3339_3339.html

Duke’s platform called for tax cuts, no quotas, no affirmative action, no welfare, and no busing…
To many voters, this seems like just plain good sense. Duke carried baggage from his past, the voters were willing to overlook that. If he had been afforded the forgiveness an ex-communist gets, he might have won.
…David Broder, also of the Post and equally liberal, writing on an entirely different subject, had it right: ‘No one wants to talk about race publicly, but if you ask any campaign consultant or pollster privately, the sad reality that a great many working-class and middle class white Americans are far less hostile to the rich and their tax breaks than they are to the poor and minorities with their welfare and affirmative action programs.”
Liberals are notoriously blind to the sociological effects of their own programs. David Duke was hurt by his past. How many more Dukes are waiting in the wings without such a taint?

“Duke lost the election,” it said, “but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment.” In 1991, a newsletter asked, “Is David Duke’s new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?” The conclusion was that “our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom.”

Duke also gave advice to Paul on his website, saying:

What must Paul do to have any real chance of winning or making a bigger impact? I think he should do exactly what I did in Louisiana, and for Ron Paul to follow exactly the same advice Ron Paul gave in his newsletters for others, take up my campaign issues with passion and purpose.

Could it be that Paul is taking Duke’s advice by hiding the racist “baggage from his past” in a more consistent package of “freedom?”

5. Thomas DiLorenzo

Thomas DiLorenzo is another neo-Confederate
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/
who believes the South was right in the the civil war and that Abraham Lincoln was a wicked man who destroyed states’ rights. DiLorenzo is listed as an affiliated scholar with the racist League of the South, which promotes segregation and a new southern secession. Paul invited DiLorenzo to testify before congress about the Federal Reserve and is close friends with Paul and works for the Ludwig Von Mises Instiute. Paul cited DiLorezno’s book when telling Tim Russert that the North should not have fought the Civil War.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2007/12/23/4426982-ron-paul-on-meet-the-press

4. James Von Brunn

James Von Brunn was a white supremacist and anti-Semite who opened fired at the Holocaust museum, killing an African-American security guard. Von Brunn was an avid Paul supporter who posted a message on the Ron Paul Yahoo Group,
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZVsm-6bP5-EJ:groups.yahoo.com/group/RonPaulforPresident/mes
saying, “HITLER’S WORST MISTAKE: HE DIDN’T GAS THE JEWS.” In 1983, Von Brunn was convicted of kidnapping members of the Federal Reserve Board, a common target of Paul’s, and was sentenced to six years in prison.Von Brunn died while awaiting sentencing for his crime.

3. William Alexander “Bill” White

Bill White is a neo-Nazi who is a former member of of the neo-Nazi group the National Socialist Movement and founder of his own Nazi group, the National Socialist Worker’s Movement. He has called for the lynching of the Jena 6 and the assassination of NAACP leaders. White previously campaigned for Pat Buchanan and the Reform party. This year, White was convicted of threatening a juror but then freed by a judge who called the threats free speech. White is a former Ron Paul supporter who became disenfranchised with Paul, when a Paul spokesman called white supremacy “a small ideology.” Here is what White wrote about Paul on a popular white supremacist website:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous – and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

Ron Paul has not sued White for libel, which would be in his rights to do if White’s statement’s were lies. White is out of jail and has not lost credibility in the white supremacist world, writing for the neo-Nazi website the American Free Press and the same paper that used to carry Paul’s column.

2. Richard Poplawski

Richard Poplawski is a neo-Nazi from Pittsburgh who regularly posted on the neo-Nazi website Stormfront. Poplawski would post videos of Ron Paul talking about FEMA camp conspiracy theories with Glenn Beck.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/why-are-media-ignoring-richard-popla

Polawski was afraid of a government conspiracy to take away people’s guns and wound up killing three police officers who came to his house after his mother made a domestic dispute call.

1. Jules Manson

Jules Manson was a failed politician from Carson, Calif. Mason was also a big Paul supporter who would write, “I may be an athiest, but Ron Paul is my God,” on Paul’s website. Manson would also write, “Assassinate that n*gger and his family of monkeys,” of President Barack Obama.

This is not guilty by association. Ron Paul has spread white supremacy on conspiracy theories for years in his newsletters. The racism and conspiracy theories have driven some people to violence. Not only have Ron Paul’s racist supporters endorsed him and his views, he has endorsed them through his positions on the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement, without disavowing the support he gets from racists. This is guilt by racism.


18 posted on 01/15/2012 4:07:29 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: wolficatZ
The Ronulans are making liberals look sane by comparison.

And liberals are anything but sane.

19 posted on 01/15/2012 4:08:36 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Mozilla
Ron Paul supporters threaten Atlanta family with rape, death

Perhaps on their planet, that's called "getting out the vote".

20 posted on 01/15/2012 4:08:49 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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