[Red Badger]

Who killed the Pax Romana?

The Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, Huns and Franks............

[House Atreides]

“Who killed the Pax Romana?

The Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, Huns and Franks............”
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Perhaps you should read more than just the thread “headline” and go to the linked site to do some reading. And after that do some thinking. What you’re summarizing is the “politically correct” version of Mediterranean history. After reading the linked article, I just ordered the book ‘Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited: The History of a Controversy’ to do some more reading on this subject.

It appears that European experience with “Yutes” is not a new thing.

[The_Reader_David]

You assume that the retirement of the last Western Augustus to a villa near Naples in 476 actually meant something. The Roman Empire actually fell in 1453 after dwindling to a city-state.

The facts that the capital has been moved to “New Rome” (Constantinople) in 324, that the barbarians you cite largely embraced the Imperial religion — Christianity (well not the Huns, but their influence passed as quickly as it arrived, and the Vandals went down fighting for the Arian heresy against Belisarius’s Imperial legions) — that their kings kept issuing coinage with the Emperor’s portrait and often bore the title “Patrician of the Romans” given them by the Emperor, and that Charlemagne did not regard himself as setting up a new Empire, but as reviving the office of Western Augustus (at least until neither the Emperor Irene, yes, the correct Englishing of the title she bore is Emperor, nor her successor Nicephoros I, would recognize his claim, when he started calling his own domain “the Holy Roman Empire” and the Roman Empire, the “Empire of the Hellenes” — an insult since at that time “hellene” meant “Greek pagan”), all suggest a reappraisal of the position you take is in order, even without the interesting archaeological data cited in the article posted.

[SunkenCiv]

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Thanks Red Badger and TXnMA. No ping, because, alas, already posted: Who Really Killed the Pax Romana? To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.