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Road to natural gas vehicles vexes GM chief
Houston Chronicle ^ | http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/steffy/article/Road-to-natural-gas-vehicles-vexes-GM-chief- | Loren Steffy

Posted on 03/13/2013 5:31:03 AM PDT by thackney

Edited on 03/13/2013 5:36:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

That's understandable given that the egg in this case is government support and Akerson is head of General Motors, a company that received a $49.5 billion federal bailout to keep it in business.

He doesn't want to be seen as calling on the government for help, although he essentially is.


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KEYWORDS: cng; energy; lng; naturalgas
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and no one will build refueling stations until there are more of the vehicles on the road.

This has been proven many times over to be false. Several companies are already building them. Some companies are building hundreds of refueling stations.

1 posted on 03/13/2013 5:31:03 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

A fleet of Government Motors natural gas vehicles built by union thugs would amount to rolling time bombs on the road. Imagine the explosion and fire after just a fender bender.


2 posted on 03/13/2013 5:33:24 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: thackney

I will never buy a Government Motors car, even if it DOES run on obama farts!


3 posted on 03/13/2013 5:34:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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Clean Energy is America’s largest provider of natural gas fuel for transportation — your connection to natural gas fueling. Trucks powered by cleaner, cheaper, domestic natural gas will soon travel the country on America’s Natural Gas Highway®, our network of LNG truck fueling stations on Interstate Highways connecting major metropolitan areas coast-to-coast and border-to-border.

The first phase includes approximately 150 LNG fueling stations with more than 70 anticipated in 33 states by the end of 2012 and the balance in 2013. Many will be co-located at Pilot-Flying J Travel Centers already serving goods movement trucking.

http://www.cleanenergyfuels.com/buildingamerica.html

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Love’s Travel Stops to Expand Fast-Fill CNG to Texas Triangle
http://www.loves.com/AboutUs/MediaCenter/News/PressReleaseMarch4,2013.aspx


4 posted on 03/13/2013 5:40:22 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

If I can refuel off my truck at home from my own filling station and keeping it dual fuel so I can still take long trips in Alaska I will buy a natural gas rig,I have seen them up here already, and our natural gas is cheap.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 5:41:11 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: The Sons of Liberty

While not making any claims about unions, the CNG/lng is not the danger you suggest. We have had these vehicles on the road for decades.


6 posted on 03/13/2013 5:43:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Sure, but the Point is - Do you trust Government Motors built vehicles with your life?


7 posted on 03/13/2013 5:44:42 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I think a little accuracy is called for. CNG tanks are far sturdier than cheesey gas tanks. Far larger also which is the real issue. Converting CNG to gasoline would be the best option. I read the other day some breakthroughs have occurred on that front recently.


8 posted on 03/13/2013 5:47:57 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Eye of Unk

There were some problems with the original manufacture (FuleMaker Corp) of the Phill home refueling model. They went out of business. The rights to the name where purchased by a commercial refueler (BRC) to distribute to the residential customer.

Fill up your CNG car right at home!
http://www.brcfuelmaker.it/eng/casa/phill.asp

But I don’t find any Alaska dealers yet.

BRC FuelMaker Again Selling Phill Home CNG Fuel Station
http://www.edmunds.com/autoobserver-archive/2011/03/brc-fuelmaker-again-selling-phill-home-cng-fuel-station.html


9 posted on 03/13/2013 5:48:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Do you trust Government Motors built vehicles with your life?

I don't trust them with my money, so I don't ever get to the decision point of my life. They are off my approved manufactures for purchase list.

But they are not the only ones in this business.

10 posted on 03/13/2013 5:50:52 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Here in Colombia cars are running on natural gas and you fill up at the normal gasoline station. Conversion is not a big deal. We could do it in the US if free enterprise ruled.

BTW cars and gasoline are much more expensive here...but the economy is based on FREE ENTERPRISE!!! Taxation is flat and user.

Secondly if I had to purchase a vehicle made by UAW hands to safe his life I wouldnt!!! Union scum!


11 posted on 03/13/2013 5:51:28 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Of course they are, they pressurize the hell out of them. A normal gas tank, not so much. They are compressed bombs. Gasoline can be huge fire, but rarely explode. CNG goes boom.

GNC tanks need to be re-certified once in a while. Do you think the average automotive driver is gonna actually do that? They rarely change the oil.


12 posted on 03/13/2013 5:52:14 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Last evening a friend and I went to a farm where the owner had converted a 95ish Chevy pickup and a tractor to run on natural gas. The truck was multifuel. He’d passed but his son still had boxes of parts and the military high pressure air compressor that his father had converted to fill the tanks from a well on the farm.

The son is buying a small Dodge pickup to do a conversion.


13 posted on 03/13/2013 5:52:25 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: thackney

But THEY’RE the ones in the article that seem perplexed by natural gas vehicles. I’m not totally against natural gas vehicles. They offer us a way for us to tell the muzzies to eat their oil and go to hell, but when a President of a car building company admits they have no clue, then I’m steering clear (not that I would ever buy a GM product anyway).


14 posted on 03/13/2013 5:55:39 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: freedumb2003

even if it DOES run on obama farts!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Don’t know about that BUT if they were programmed to run off ‘Political Hot Air’ we have a lifetime supply and if we ‘go along to get along’ and invited the ‘Liberal Hot Air’ to ‘unite with as in a show of solidarity’, WE have enough fuel to run the world for couple hundred more centuries.
AND - that is not counting any NEW editions.....

Lets face it either that or the SCHMOO, who is definitely the all purpose freebie that keeps giving.


15 posted on 03/13/2013 5:57:07 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: The Sons of Liberty

If your point is that unions are bad, I agree.

If you think Natgas is more dangerous than typical gas, you are sadly mistaken.


16 posted on 03/13/2013 5:58:16 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cableguymn
CNG goes boom.

No they don't. Methane (natural gas) first has to be diluted with air down to a 15% concentration before it can be ignited. Don't compare a house with mostly air and some natural gas from a leak (at atmospheric pressure) with a CNG tank that has no oxygen and cannot ignite prior to dilution with air.

If a leak does happen, the methane is so lighter than air that it cannot accumulate without an enclosure. A leaking CNG tank on the road is mostly going to dissipate into the upper atmosphere.

17 posted on 03/13/2013 6:00:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
that seem perplexed by natural gas vehicles

They are not perplexed. They are building the case for more government subsidy. This should not be allowed.

18 posted on 03/13/2013 6:02:02 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
They are building the case for more government subsidy. This should not be allowed.

That's probably true.

19 posted on 03/13/2013 6:05:00 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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Amoco built dozens of these back in the 80s.
I think they’re closed or converted to all gasoline/diesel now.


20 posted on 03/13/2013 6:12:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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