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Slow Going for Natural-Gas Powered Trucks
Wall Street Journal ^ | Aug. 25, 2014 | BOB TITA

Posted on 08/26/2014 6:14:13 AM PDT by thackney

...Higher purchase prices compared with diesel trucks, improved diesel fuel economy and continued scarcity of fueling stations are damping natural-gas-powered truck demand. About 10,480 of the heavy-duty trucks are expected to be sold this year, up 20% from the 8,730 sold last year, according to Power Systems Research. However, some forecasters had expected sales to about double to 16,000 vehicles this year amid the trucking industry's enthusiasm for natural gas a year ago.

What happened? A big roadblock remains the premium for a heavy-duty gas truck—$50,000 more than the about $150,000 for a new diesel-powered truck. In theory, the payback for that higher price is recovered from fuel savings of between $1.60 and $1.70 for the gas equivalent of a gallon of diesel. Paybacks can average four years considering the average truck travels 125,000 miles a year.

But truckers say the fuel savings isn't all it seems. Mileage from a natural-gas-powered truck is about 20% less per energy equivalent than a diesel truck, meaning a gas truck consumes the same amount of fuel for 200 miles as a diesel truck uses for 240 miles. Moreover, fuel costs—as well as any natural-gas fuel savings—are typically passed on to a trucking company's customers.

"If you're paying $1 per gallon less for fuel, they'd want that money for themselves, but you need that to pay off the equipment," said Mike Card, president of Combined Transport Inc., which operates a fleet of 500 diesel trucks specializing in hauling heavy or wide cargoes, such as wind energy towers.

At current fuel prices, it takes about four years to recover their investment....

Large fleet operators typically replace their vehicles every three to four years, leaving little time for them to benefit from the lower fuel costs of natural-gas-powered trucks.

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1 posted on 08/26/2014 6:14:13 AM PDT by thackney
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2 posted on 08/26/2014 6:19:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

I imagine it’s not wildly different, but I wonder just how many diesel engine techs know enough about natural gas powered engines to service them correctly. Retraining could be another cost of bringing NG vehicles into a fleet, along with stocking any parts that are different from the diesel rigs.


3 posted on 08/26/2014 6:26:27 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: thackney

The economics work only if trucking customers are willing to pay a premium to have their stuff transported in a less-polutting vehicle. Which they aren’t.

Or if the government provides a subsidy for purchase.

Or if the government imposes a higher tax on diesel to make up the difference.

Or the government mandates natural gas trucks.


4 posted on 08/26/2014 6:27:56 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: thackney

In my area of NE Texas we have two of these CNG filling stations. The current price is $2.04 a gal, there are at least two companies in the area who’s entire fleets run on CNG. Since I work in Propane they are in direct competition with my industry but right now its just a distraction.

They have a long way to go before it’s a viable alternative for OTR trucking companies.


5 posted on 08/26/2014 6:29:04 AM PDT by GT Vander (Life's priorities; God, Family, Country. Everything else is just details...)
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


6 posted on 08/26/2014 6:33:27 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Sherman Logan
A big roadblock remains the premium for a heavy-duty gas truck—$50,000 more

I would expect with more growth in this market, that premium will come down with proven designs and some competition.

7 posted on 08/26/2014 6:34:05 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Higher purchase prices compared with diesel trucks, improved diesel fuel economy and continued scarcity of fueling stations

WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE?..........

8 posted on 08/26/2014 6:35:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: thackney

I suppose there are many fewer natural gas filling stations. I suppose you have to fuel up twice and it might be hazardous to have Diesel and natural gas fueling in the same place. I suppose that most are not interested in the extra hassle and extra costs.


9 posted on 08/26/2014 6:37:59 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: GT Vander
Some are claiming it works for Long Haul Trucking already.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/business/energy-environment/natural-gas-use-in-long-haul-trucks-expected-to-rise.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

UPS Sees 40% Savings by Switching Long-Haul Fleet to Natural Gas
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-07-25/ups-sees-40-percent-savings-by-switching-long-haul-fleet-to-natural-gas


10 posted on 08/26/2014 6:38:28 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: mountainlion
it might be hazardous to have Diesel and natural gas fueling in the same place

I don't understand that. Why would a common facility increase hazards that would exist at two separate facilities?

11 posted on 08/26/2014 6:39:53 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: mountainlion
I suppose that most are not interested in the extra hassle and extra costs.

Fuel Cost Savings is the driving factor.

12 posted on 08/26/2014 6:40:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Or if the government imposes a higher tax on diesel to make up the difference.

The diesel fuel is already more expensive than natural gas.

13 posted on 08/26/2014 6:47:10 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: thackney
At first I thought this was about adding natural gas system to a diesel engine. Natural gas technology for stationary engines is developed. You do not need a fuel tank if you have a gas pipeline to the facility. I wonder if there is computer controlled injection system for big trucks on natural gas. The envirowackos would probably demand it. Natural gas trucks could be a way around California's strict pollution rules. I would not expect that the political atmosphere would guarantee low natural prices and that would be a great concern to truckers. A cold winter could make fuel shortages and high fuel prices.
14 posted on 08/26/2014 6:50:32 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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15 posted on 08/26/2014 6:53:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SoothingDave

Yes. I meant an additional tax on diesel sufficient to make it cost-effective to buy a natural gas truck.


16 posted on 08/26/2014 6:54:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: mountainlion
I wonder if there is computer controlled injection system for big trucks on natural gas.

Yes. Getting the most efficiency from the engine will require this.

http://www.cumminswestport.com/natural-gas-academy-videos/engines

http://www.westport.com/is/core-technologies/fuel-injectors

17 posted on 08/26/2014 7:30:44 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The economics work only if trucking customers are willing to pay a premium to have their stuff transported in a less-polutting vehicle. Which they aren’t.

Twenty-percent growth is still significant. 50% savings off of diesel fuel is a BIG deal. When the large trucking firm sell off there rigs in 3-4 years, they'll get some of their initial investment back, as the buyers of the trucks will pay more for a natural gas truck. Natural gs will also be resistant to the regular spot oil price spikes, shortages, and reformulation fees.

The problem remains filling stations. Pilot truck stops is planning a major roll out, but the trucks won't be bought for long hauls until they are built and operational.
18 posted on 08/26/2014 7:31:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: mountainlion
I suppose you have to fuel up twice and it might be hazardous to have Diesel and natural gas fueling in the same place.

Why would a natural gas vehicle have to fill up twice?
19 posted on 08/26/2014 7:32:56 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Sherman Logan

As soon as truckers convert the government will get greedy and raise natural gas taxes to “fix the highways for the kids.”


20 posted on 08/26/2014 7:33:50 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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