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Amtrak train was traveling at 80 mph in 30 mph zone, NTSB says
Fox News ^ | 12-19-2017 | Ryan Gaydos

Posted on 12/19/2017 4:07:00 AM PST by servo1969

An Amtrak train that derailed Monday during its inaugural ride on a new line in Washington state was traveling at 80 mph in a 30 mph zone, the National Transportation Safety Board said, citing data recorder information.

Bella Dinh-Zarr, an NTSB board member, said at a news conference late Monday that information from the data recorder in the rear locomotive provided information about the train’s speed.

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A track chart prepared by the Washington State Department of Transportation shows the maximum speed drops from 79 mph to 30 mph for passenger trains just before the tracks curve to cross Interstate 5, which is where the train went off the tracks.

An Amtrak train derailed south of Seattle early Monday, causing "injuries and casualties," according to officials. (Washington State Patrol Trooper Brooke Bova) The chart, dated Feb. 7, was submitted to the Federal Railroad Administration in anticipation of the start of passenger service along a new bypass route that shaves off 10 minutes for the trip between Seattle and Portland, Ore.

Kimberly Reason with Sound Transit, the Seattle-area transit agency that owns the tracks, said speed signs are posted 2 miles before the speed zone changes and just before the speed zone approaching the curve.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 501; amtrak; derailment; i5; lacey; ntsb; oregon; portland; seattle
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To: servo1969

If it was doing 80 in a 30 then why didn’t it derail on the first curve?


81 posted on 12/19/2017 5:55:12 AM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: pinkandgreenmom
I’ll take “affirmative action hire” for $1000, please.

That's a good possibility, but there are others. Drugs, a really, really important text message, or Allah at the controls all come to mind.

82 posted on 12/19/2017 5:57:47 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: Moonman62
Look at that curve. No way it can be taken at 80mph.

Curve?

The track had barely started to curve when the loco went straight!

83 posted on 12/19/2017 6:00:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bull Snipe
It is very expensive and the railroads have hedged on the completion of the system for years.

I wonder if unions had anything to do with that?

84 posted on 12/19/2017 6:00:16 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: ctdonath2
taking the rest of the train with it.

But it didn't.

85 posted on 12/19/2017 6:01:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: servo1969

I do not pretend to have any knowledge of the technical knowledge of operating today’s trains, but a practical question comes to mind: With today’s implementation of computer guidance systems, why was there not an automated system in place that could have prevented the train from maintaining such a speed as it approached the danger zone here? Don’t know how it would work, but I am imagining an engine driving the route with an operator, who while maintaining over-ride abilities, just stands by monitoring the train’s progress. Like auto-pilot on a plane. Tell me what I am not comprehending here.


86 posted on 12/19/2017 6:03:55 AM PST by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go. Dump McConnman, too.)
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To: ctdonath2
A full-weight engine doing 80 where it should be 30 could push right thru the track.

True; but once OFF the track; the brakes aren't going to be very effective!

The pictures SHOW the lead loco; after going '80' and jumping track and GOING DOWN AN EMBANKMENT to still be upright and only a few feet onto the interstate.

87 posted on 12/19/2017 6:04:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SandRat

That ain’t the one I remember. It started out
“Casey Jones was a son of a b!#@&
Parked that train in a railroad ditch
Jumped through the window with his....


88 posted on 12/19/2017 6:05:00 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Wisdom and education are different things. Don't confuse them.)
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To: pinkandgreenmom; mewzilla

How about wanting to save the ten minutes, a bit like the Titanic going for a speed record?


89 posted on 12/19/2017 6:05:29 AM PST by Freee-dame (Best election ever.)
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To: mewzilla

Amen! I have been saying that for years. Hoping the Trump administration will make it happen.


90 posted on 12/19/2017 6:05:42 AM PST by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go. Dump McConnman, too.)
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To: jaydubya2
The train driver should have been aware of that.

Ya THINK??

...speed signs are posted 2 miles before the speed zone changes and just before the speed zone approaching the curve.


91 posted on 12/19/2017 6:06:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: spiderpig

I know what you mean. Every time I have seen clips of the scene, it has annoyed the heck out of me that this vandal is having his “work” displayed. Vandalism infuriates me to no end. I would like to see serious punishment for it.


92 posted on 12/19/2017 6:08:46 AM PST by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go. Dump McConnman, too.)
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To: Flick Lives
"You can see in the overhead picture of the track that it is a tight radius curve coming off of the bridge."

Just to be clear, this train wrecked going toward the bridge, not coming off of the bridge. The locomotive you see still on the tracks was bringing up the rear. In another pic you can see the forward locomotive down on the highway and in what direction it kicked up all the dirt across the highway on impact.

93 posted on 12/19/2017 6:09:54 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Elsie

I think you have the direction of the train backwards.


94 posted on 12/19/2017 6:11:29 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: palmer
Lead locomotive went straight.

For only about 500 feet.

95 posted on 12/19/2017 6:12:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: servo1969

As this was an accident involving the Government, we can put aside the conspiracy theories and instead focus upon the gross incompetence or gross negligence of the government employees.

Obama has filled the government with incompetent people.

Just consider the corruption in the Intelligence Services or the incompetent Navy ship drivers in Asian waters or now this negligent train wreck.

People are getting killed by incompetent government workers.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!!!


96 posted on 12/19/2017 6:14:36 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: servo1969

OSHA will say train drivers don’t have enough training.


97 posted on 12/19/2017 6:15:42 AM PST by umgud
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To: Elsie
 

How Long Does It Take a Train to Stop? - Minnesota Safety Council

https://www.minnesotasafetycouncil.org/OL/stop.cfm
 
Trains can't stop quickly or swerve. The average freight train is about 1 to 1¼ miles in length (90 to 120 rail cars). When it's moving at 55 miles an hour, it can take a mile or more to stop after the locomotive engineer fully applies the emergency brake. An 8-car passenger train moving at 80 miles an hour needs about a mile to ...
 
 
HMMMmmm... something is fishy here!

98 posted on 12/19/2017 6:18:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Moonman62

Really?

I know my dot connecting pen seems to be broken.


99 posted on 12/19/2017 6:19:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Enchante
"I recall an early article saying that this train had left Seattle 10-15 min. late. Maybe they were desperate to make up time and be reported as “on time” for arrival in Portland???"

Although that section of track was new, the rest of the line is owned by BNSF and they give Amtrak specific windows of operation. If an Amtrak train misses its window for a section of track, it must yield right-of-way to any BNSF freight train, costing it even more time.

I'd bet the window to enter the next section was expiring, and the engineer was told to speed up so as not to further delay an already late train, which would have been extremely embarrassing for the politicians involved.

100 posted on 12/19/2017 6:20:02 AM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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