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Once Militantly Anti-Abortion, Evangelical Minister Now Lives 'With Regret' (don't laugh, it's NPR)
NPR ^ | July 11, 2018 | Terry Gross

Posted on 07/11/2018 12:20:56 PM PDT by gattaca

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To: gattaca
Schenck now sees abortion as a moral and ethical issue that should be resolved by "an individual and his or her conscience" — rather than by legislation.

I would only be persuaded to go along with that idea if the unborn were fully capable of defending their own lives with lethal force.
21 posted on 07/11/2018 1:42:58 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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22 posted on 07/11/2018 1:51:48 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: dixie1202
Why not legalize murder?

The only people who can legally murder are abortionists and death row doctors.

23 posted on 07/11/2018 2:17:54 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: \/\/ayne

Great book.


24 posted on 07/11/2018 2:18:21 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Sopater; gattaca
His story at Schenck's bio at Wikipedia is pretty interesting. Go take a look.

Is NPR possibly distorting his message? I guess I should read his book.

On the assumption that NPR has accur4ately quoted him, I would have some questions:

(1) Abortion should be the decision of an individual and "his or her" conscience... wait! Is he saying a man should be able to veto an abortion, if he's the father? Or is he saying a man should be able to mandate his partner's abortion, if he wants the baby dead? Or is he saying it's "his or her" conscience if transwomen or he/shes or whatever are getting pregnant? Or... what the hallelujah is he talking about?

(2) An intriguing concept, the individual having life-or-death power. He clearly opposes the killing of professional abortionists (I do as well). But how can you oppose that, if killing is a decision of "an individual and his or her conscience"?

It would be interesting for Schenck to meet with somebody who has actually made this "conscientious" decision to shoot an abortionist. For instance, visit James Kopp, a "conscience"-inspired idealist still in jail in NY state, and see if he's still OK with shooting Dr. Bernard Slepian through the heart.

So much for "individual decision." Your thoughts?

25 posted on 07/11/2018 2:36:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence bymeans of language.-Wittgenstein)
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To: Sopater; gattaca
His story at Schenck's bio at Wikipedia is pretty interesting. Go take a look.

Is NPR possibly distorting his message? I guess I should read his book.

On the assumption that NPR has accur4ately quoted him, I would have some questions:

(1) Abortion should be the decision of an individual and "his or her" conscience... wait! Is he saying a man should be able to veto an abortion, if he's the father? Or is he saying a man should be able to mandate his partner's abortion, if he wants the baby dead? Or is he saying it's "his or her" conscience if transwomen or he/shes or whatever are getting pregnant? Or... what the hallelujah is he talking about? (2) An intriguing concept, the individual having life-or-death power. He clearly opposes the killing of professional abortionists (I do as well). But how can you oppose that, if killing is a decision of "an individual and his or her conscience"?

It would be interesting for Schenck to meet with somebody who has actually made this "conscientious" decision to shoot an abortionist. For instance, visit James Kopp, a "conscience"-inspired idealist still in jail in NY state, and see if he's still OK with shooting Dr. Bernard Slepian through the heart.

So much for "individual decision." Your thoughts?

26 posted on 07/11/2018 2:41:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence bymeans of language.-Wittgenstein)
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To: madprof98

His twin brother, Paul Schenck,also became an Evangelical Christian and eventually became an Episcopal priest. Years later he became a Catholic.


27 posted on 07/11/2018 2:51:30 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree with some other posters. God’s Word doesn’t change. I think his message would have been more compelling if, instead of sounding pro abortion, he could have just stopped with the militant stance, and done something like counsel women who feel guilty years after an abortion.


28 posted on 07/11/2018 3:19:20 PM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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I frankly don't understand how you can go from "militantly" pro-life, to pro-"choice". I do not understand the thought process.

I can see a tactical re-evaluation: that happens all the time as people weigh alternative paths to the same goal. And he must know that: his bio shows a lifetime of involvement with all kinds of issues which have legitimately utilized all kinds of approaches.

But to outright say that there is a private right to kill your child before it's born? That really cuts the child out of the human race. And in doing so, it decisively undermines the whole idea of "Life" being one of those inalienable rights --- for anybody --- which hurts us all.

29 posted on 07/11/2018 3:34:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence bymeans of language.-Wittgenstein)
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To: fidelis

Good story from Sheen.


30 posted on 07/11/2018 3:38:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gumdrop

Was he “grandfathered” in as a Catholic priest?


31 posted on 07/11/2018 3:41:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen!


32 posted on 07/12/2018 12:34:16 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salvation

I think so. Fr. Paul Schenck used to be an Episcopal priest. He (and wife and family) cam into the Catholic church a number of years ago, he got a little retrofitting training-wise to become a Catholic priest, and they have eight kids and 4 grandchildren.


33 posted on 07/12/2018 4:55:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Experience trumps brilliance.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; gattaca

My thoughts are that an individual’s conscience does not matter one whit when it comes to the the murder of another human being. The primary concern is for the unborn child.

When Person A (i.e. unborn child) is incapable of making a life or death decision for themselves, then it is nice to have someone, Person B, who can be trusted to make decisions IN THE BEST INTEREST of Person A. When, in “good conscience”, Person B elects for the slaughter of Person A, because it is in the “best interest of Person B”, then Person B clearly cannot be trusted to make any decisions regarding the welfare of Person A.


34 posted on 07/12/2018 10:43:53 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

Amen.


35 posted on 07/12/2018 10:45:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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