Posted on 01/21/2019 4:30:54 PM PST by Kaslin
Nothing wrong with acting as guardian, obviously. Guardians however are not doctors, insurance reps, social workers or government bureaucrats.
This is where we are going to disagree. The Bible tells us to take care of our parents, and you want to turn them over to “doctors, insurance reps, social workers or government bureaucrats.” In my view, I am a free man, and those people - like every other working person - are servants. (I am myself a working person and, so, a servant to others.) Now, with regard to somebody bereft of family or private support, that’s a shame, they will have to rely on the social safety net; but, maybe they should have joined into a family or church community.
Well then you should know better.
The worst CPR that I have ever seen was from nurses at hospitals... worse than people being talked through it by dispatchers on the phone. Typically the patient would come off of the backboard which had been giving a good work surface onto a bed and some nurse would be standing next to the bed doing compressions with one hand while she/he was concentrating on something else. You do not achieve good perfusion with that type of half hearted effort; I don’t care what you are using to help keep the beat.
While hospital personnel may have discussions about who is worth saving etc... I can assure you that those of us in the field just do our jobs to the best of our abilities and only reflect on the results of our efforts after the fact.
Oh, and I have been retired for years now.
It’s ironic that many Christians who say they believe in an after-life, cling on to this one as long as possible as though it were their only life. And, that many atheists who say they believe this is their only life, are o.k. with suicide, no less allowing death to occur naturally.
Atheists see no value to life and are more than willing to let it slip away.
Wow you need to read my post again. That is exactly the opposite of what I wrote. Here is my exact quote - “ Guardians however are not doctors, insurance reps, social workers or government bureaucrats.” You really need to read more carefully.
Well I don’t know how long you’ve been retired but at least in my neck of woods, of late,(perhaps because of issues you cite) they have been concentrating on better cpr technique, proper depth fast but allowing full chest return ect. Cracked chests on old meemaws suck but it happens quite a bit on even the younger folks as well.
Motivations become questionable when politics and finances cloud the picture.2009 when Obama took power, a lot of bad issues began changing the practice of medicine for the worse. A lot of articles appeared starting off with the horror stories of 80 year old grandpas being horribly resuscitated then never being the same afterward then dying 6 months later, ect ect; only at the middle to the end of the article there were financial horror stories of how much elder care costs vs the “quality of life issues’. The articles were fine in raising end of life questions until they got to the money issue and then the article became questionable. They became questionable because of the attempted tilting of the reader towards early terminal care and hospice and even euthanasia. The slippery slope, the drip drip inevitable push towards legally acceptable Auscwitz! You read the bio of the articles’ authors and one discovers that in many cases they were part of Obama’s medical councils or had been on the board of the liberal AARP...or some such; well you get the picture!
People do die and everyone will at some point. I won’t accept leftist gaslighting that attempts to shame the elderly into accepting early termination of their lives when they might still have useful years to live and useful wisdom to share!(such as useful retired Freepers such as yourself...fireman 15)
Oh, and your example of a 70 year old female going down while walking her dog and then being back at work a few days later is almost laughable. First, I consider 70 to be barely elderly. Second if she was out walking her dog the chance of her getting the treatment she needed in the time frame required is pretty slim. And even if everything went perfectly, she would not be back at her job with just a sore chest in a few days. You know better than this.
Typically the RNs I saw during the last few years of my career hardly ever touched a patient and spent 95% of their time doing record keeping even in the ICUs. When they did touch a patient their apathy and apparent knowledge of sterile procedures and practices appeared to be almost non-existant.
I say this as someone whose mother was a career RN who also taught for years at the nursing school associated with the hospital that both my wife and I were born at. And as I told you previously my wife was also a career nurse and department head.
As someone who has been a nurse for 33 years you must be well aware of the scary decline of hands on nursing. RNs typically barely ever touch a patient these days and I think that is pretty sad. You may be one of the good ones, but they are few and far between.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I am sorry for my nurse bashing. I have seen more than my share of what appeared to be poor care in hospitals. Most of the hands on work around here is done by low paid aides who often do not even speak English in a proficient manner.
This is not the fault of nurses but the way that the system has evolved. We are moving in the wrong direction and I do understand the point you are trying to make and your concerns. Thank you for your work trying to care for people in need.
That’s why ICU care has been my home. You have to be in the patient’s rooms...tune a drip the wrong direction, don’t note a change in distal pulses...the patient is dead meat. They keep assigning our aides to be safety sitters so the nurses here end up doing most of the hands on care. Sometimes I’m out of their 2 hours beyond the shift because I prioritise the charting last(other than updating vitals hourly which is a necessity to spot trends!)
I am glad to hear of your good work. It sounds like you work at a hospital that is a step or two above what we are used to here.
My wife supposedly went to ICU after surgery. I kept getting reports that sounded the same. Hours after she was suppose to have been taken to a room I finally had to make a huge scene and insist that I see her. There was still a long delay because they then could not find her. I am not certain of the exact sequence of events because I am not sure that I was ever given accurate information.
At some point she had been wheeled into a hallway and misplace for hours. The reports that I had been getting were completely bogus. She had not been getting any care at all for hours. It was an example of extreme incompetence... and the rest of her stay was not a great deal better. It was the hospital that both of us had been born at and my mom had worked at for years.
That’s horrible...I hope your wife yet thrives?
This happened over ten years ago. Fortunately most of us survive being in the hospital even when we are victims of incompetence. I have nearly countless stories. My own incompetence and stubbornness very nearly resulted in my own demise. It was only the good work of an experienced surgeon and team of nurses that saved me.
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