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Are America and the West collapsing? New study finds startling similarities to past civilizations
The National Sentinel ^ | 2/25/19 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 02/25/2019 8:33:40 AM PST by SleeperCatcher

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To: FrankR

Oh, man, do I agree with you. I’m 55. Seen the same thing since I was a kid. I remember when some college professor somewhere pointed to American football, compared it to the gladiatorial games of Rome, and decided we were going to hell in a hand-basket. Always figured when this kinda discussion started someone, somewhere was out for grant money.


61 posted on 02/25/2019 9:59:51 AM PST by Retrofitted
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To: ChildOfThe60s
When is the key.

Perhaps an easily calculated date/period.

What is more difficult is a clear statement of what should happen, and when, in order to avoid the collapse. Of course, the "what-should-happen" elements will continuously change as the date approaches.

Oh, and the political courage to timely implement those elements no matter the level of resulting discomfort. Probably not going to happen with politicians beholden to those who would be discomforted.

62 posted on 02/25/2019 10:04:33 AM PST by frog in a pot (Result of many state bailouts? Taxpayers elsewhere in America get to finance the Left's growth.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

We’ll be fine. Liberalism and Nihilism is self-extinguishing, and stupidity is not a permanent condition. Eventually life and reality happens, especially when fantasy run out of money. We may be in for some rough roads, but there are plenty of people who know how we got here and how we can fix it.


63 posted on 02/25/2019 10:04:36 AM PST by jimmygrace
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To: SleeperCatcher

If the U.S.A fails that will mean democracy fails. None of the other civilizations that failed were democracies.

I remember my grandmother telling me that the communists were trying to overthrow the country during the depression, 1930. Before that the anarchists were bombing cities in the 1920’s .

I remember when Japan was going to take over economically back in the 1980’s.

However I will say this, if we vote in socialism and have an open border. We are done.


64 posted on 02/25/2019 10:05:05 AM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: afterhoursarmory

Thanks for saving my computer and my time.


65 posted on 02/25/2019 10:07:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stop Medieval Diseases With A Medieval Wall: Illegal migration is leading to a wave of outbreaks!!!!)
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To: RoseofTexas; SleeperCatcher; Nothingburger
"I live on the border and this is true!! The border was shut down yesterday for hours to keep 3,500 illegals from dashing through the bridges..."

Another modern historian wearing globalist "open-borders" blinders.

In the late 4th century AD certain Goth tribes sought to cross the Danube river into the Roman Empire, as asylum from invading Huns. Emperor Valens believing them allies of Rome (who would provide troops and taxes) allowed them in. Other Goth tribes not allowed to enter came with them anyway and a controlled resettlement snowballed into a massive flood.

Two years later, those Goths attacked and defeated Roman army units and a year after that they formed an alliance with the Huns - from who the Goths had been granted asylum - and launched the Gothic War. This war ended with the barbarians destroying the Roman army led by Valens and the killing of Emperor Valens - the man who granted the Goths asylum in the Roman Empire.

This is widely accepted as the beginning of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, why is it censored from this analysis?

66 posted on 02/25/2019 10:09:59 AM PST by drpix
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To: frog in a pot

The President is disliked by people who are seeing their power and influence eroded. The Democrats are a lost cause, they are now full fledged communists and anarchists. The GOP of Paul Ryan, Bushes and Romney are only supported by a tiny minority of very wealthy connected people. The masses do not support them, we only greatly dislike their political opponents.


67 posted on 02/25/2019 10:10:57 AM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: SleeperCatcher
The answers are all in Scriptures given to God's people, but we discount God and think we can survive without Him. He clearly shows He blesses His people, but we prefer curses. He supernaturally freed His people from slavery in Egypt, and then handed them Canaan land covered with Giants. He wants us to live for Him, but we prefer death. We deny His existence so He gives us over to a reprobate mind. Sodomy is a direct extension of a reprobate mind, then He tells us He will return to judge the earth "in the days of Lot". He has given as many warnings as he can, but we don't read it, we don't teach it, and we certainly don't fear Him. He has even told us that the final battle will be a 200 million man army coming against God's people knowing they are coming against God Himself. Psalm 2 speaks of God laughing in Heaven as they plot and plan against God. Pharaoh had Israel up against the Red Sea, but the Glory of God was between Israel and Egypt's army where everyone could see it, they had no wheels on their chariots, yet Pharaoh ordered the attack anyway.

The solutions are right in front of each of us, yet we refuse to bend to the will of God. We think we are wise, yet remain fools.

Just in my lifetime we have had predictions of the population bomb, not enough food for 7 billion people, Ice ages, now heat waves, flooding of the land, famine, diseases, and a myriad of other catastrophes that have not appeared. America is blessed because we bless God's people. When that stops, we will be no better than Somalia. The cursed generations of Ham migrated to Africa, where there is oil, diamonds, and gold, precious gems, yet even today after all of history, they remain poor and defeated, cooking on cow dung with a gas well a few hundred feet away. Much of the blessings of God is giving His people a good mind. Just watch the current controversy over a border wall. Any thinking person would see that criminals and people that hate us are coming illegally into he country. What do the people that oppose the wall have in common? They are Godless morons with no common sense. When the majority of Americans fall to anti God rhetoric, they will believe any nonsense Satan puts in their heads and America will fall.

Try to imagine a world without America to fight evil. Evil will swallow the world overnight and chaos like we have never seen will ensue.

When people understand there are unseen forces behind the scenes that can manipulate people's minds and actions, they might be able to see with spiritual eyes what is happening right in front of them. Just the mere fact of rising homosexuality at a pace not seen since Sodom and Gomorrah should point to a new truth that civilization is failing. Men cannot look in their underwear and tell if they are a man or woman ? Really? Is this new cutting edge thought,....or just an indication that we have collectively gone insane? Go to a group of insane people and try to get something meaningful accomplished.

Amos 8:11-12

68 posted on 02/25/2019 10:32:51 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Beowulf9
New study... an old study by historian Arnold Toynbee
It sucked before, now someone's turned up the Suck.

69 posted on 02/25/2019 10:45:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

The history of mankind is a struggle between good and evil. Good has had the upper hand for a while, but evil is still out there.

The combination of our dependence on a ‘relatively fragile” infrastructure ( internet) and the ever increasing ability of extreme power in the hands of very few people means we’re all at risk. Evil will rise again... that, you can be sure of. The question is: when ?

I hope it’s a long time from now.


70 posted on 02/25/2019 11:05:51 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: SleeperCatcher
Bureaucracy Kills: A Lesson from Rome
71 posted on 02/25/2019 11:08:12 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

It is only Europe that is collapsing.

The genetic material that made Europe Europe was killed off between 1914 and 1945. Those that are there now lack the genetic where with all to persist.


72 posted on 02/25/2019 11:12:31 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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To: chud

Thanks for the heads up. I just watched about half the first episode and it’s almost identical to the book. It explains perfectly why the democrats are desperate to destroy and erase Christianity in America, viz. because no totalitarian government can tolerate any system or group that has an absolute standard by which to judge the morality, or immorality, of society and culture.


73 posted on 02/25/2019 11:47:30 AM PST by LouAvul (Socialism is the logical conclusion of liberalism. Anarchy is the logical conclusion of socialism.)
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To: cuban leaf

Watching Dr. Zhivago and Gone With The Wind back to back takes an eternity or two.


74 posted on 02/25/2019 1:12:05 PM PST by GingisK
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To: SleeperCatcher

Without God, America is nothing.


75 posted on 02/25/2019 1:28:16 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: frog in a pot

It is a pointless exercise to even discuss what should happen. Because what should happen will never happen.


76 posted on 02/25/2019 3:20:37 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: RoseofTexas

We were meant only to rule as a superpower to help Israel for 242 years.

>Spoken as a true blue dispensationalist, which (dispensationalism) nobody believed - with its sidekick the pretrib rapture - for about 1800 years, until John Darby invented it, in 1930.


77 posted on 02/25/2019 3:34:18 PM PST by sasportas
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To: ChildOfThe60s
It is a pointless exercise to even discuss what should happen. Because what should happen will never happen.

Keep the baby, Faith.

The day there is no work-around you might as well get a bottle and assume the fetal position. {;^]

78 posted on 02/25/2019 3:35:16 PM PST by frog in a pot (Result of many state bailouts? Taxpayers elsewhere in America get to finance the Left's growth.)
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To: RoseofTexas

IIRC (It’s been 40ish years since I read it.) The Late Great Planet Earth, A book “translating” the Book of Revelation, talks about the eagle, bear and dragon.


79 posted on 02/25/2019 4:05:26 PM PST by lizma2
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