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Are America and the West collapsing? New study finds startling similarities to past civilizations
The National Sentinel ^ | 2/25/19 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 02/25/2019 8:33:40 AM PST by SleeperCatcher

Full headline: Are America and the West headed toward collapse? New study finds startling similarities to fall of past civilizations

Predictions of America’s doom and gloom ahead are nothing new, as it’s always easier for us to see the glass as half-empty rather than half-full. So it’s not surprising that a new study has made a similar ‘prediction.’

But unlike many past analyses, a new look at an old study by historian Arnold Toynbee in his 12-volume magnum opus “A Study of History” examined his findings and identified key elements within each past great civilization that explained why they collapsed.

In short, past great civilizations like the Roman Empire didn’t “die” so much as they ‘committed suicide, the BBC reports.

Toynbee “was right in some respects: Civilizations are often responsible for their own decline. However, their self-destruction is usually assisted,” wrote the BBC‘s Luke Kemp.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenationalsentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arnoldtoynbee; collapse; deathofthewest; kma; ntsa; romanempire; unitedstates; westerncivilization
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1 posted on 02/25/2019 8:33:40 AM PST by SleeperCatcher
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To: SleeperCatcher

Of course it is collapsing. The thing that puzzles a lot of analysts is how they’ve been able to kick the can down the road so much farther than many thought possible.

FWIW, I believe either trump will be the last president of the US or it will utterly collapse under the one that follows him.

I don’t know what would happen if, after four (or eight) years of trump we would every allow it to go back to the deep state without a total hot revolution. I’m just not seeing it.


2 posted on 02/25/2019 8:36:15 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: SleeperCatcher

When a society become confused about basic reality such as the binary nature of sex, it is a sign of serious decay.


3 posted on 02/25/2019 8:37:43 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: cuban leaf
The USA=VENEZUELA 2.0😞😢😥
4 posted on 02/25/2019 8:37:53 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: SleeperCatcher

Makes AOC’s 12 year plan look like a positive alternative. Let’s get it over with


5 posted on 02/25/2019 8:38:25 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

They are running out of other peoples money.


6 posted on 02/25/2019 8:39:12 AM PST by Zathras
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To: SleeperCatcher

I’m 74. I’ve been seeing similar “studies” since I was 21...someone is always chasing that angle...a “gloom & doomer” (democrat).


7 posted on 02/25/2019 8:42:02 AM PST by FrankR (How to get a one-armed SOCIALIST out of a tree...wave to him.)
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To: cuban leaf
I don’t know what would happen if, after four (or eight) years of trump we would every allow it to go back to the deep state without a total hot revolution. I’m just not seeing it.

Once enough of us pass away younger people will embrace it in exchange for socialist goodies.


8 posted on 02/25/2019 8:42:35 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SleeperCatcher

BS; we just need a bigger glass, and more wine.


9 posted on 02/25/2019 8:42:42 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Yes.

We do not have the will to enforce immigration laws.

We do not have the will to resist Islam.


10 posted on 02/25/2019 8:42:50 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Once they put “Forever” on the postage stamps, I knew we were doomed.


11 posted on 02/25/2019 8:43:16 AM PST by matt1234 (Jan. 20, 2017: the national nightmare ended.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
When a society become confused about basic reality such as the binary nature of sex, it is a sign of serious decay.

+1

12 posted on 02/25/2019 8:43:55 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: SleeperCatcher

Most organizations that legitimately get off the ground suffer from an arc, by providing a product or service to market that competitively satisfies a demand, and after a time of success and bloat, seek to maximize profits against newer competitors by lowering costs, and eventually fail to advance, adapt, and innovate to their own decline. That is because as they grow, the sum totality of any organizations purpose is for each individual to justify their own purposes and not necessarily those of the organization, although you would they they are mutual.

Developed civilizations usually suffer from those in charge and those in the ever increasing bureaucracy justifying their own existences much more than focusing on the success (and even survival) of their society.


13 posted on 02/25/2019 8:44:36 AM PST by z3n
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Once enough of us pass away younger people will embrace it in exchange for socialist goodies.


I get that, but I don’t think enough of us would have passed away.


14 posted on 02/25/2019 8:45:15 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

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15 posted on 02/25/2019 8:45:40 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The more tolerance today the less morals we have...there is no law, no real accountability, so it’s lawlessness. There is a relationship between the two, no standard and anything goes..... In Israel’s apostasy at the end of the Book of judges reads just as our society today, “everyone did what was right in their own eyes.”

When you consider Mal. 2:16.... “For the LORD God of Israel says that He hates divorce, for it covers one’s garment ‘with violence’,”..... This has attributed to our societies breakdown, no commitment, no love.


16 posted on 02/25/2019 8:45:47 AM PST by caww
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To: SleeperCatcher

Honestly, The Roman Empire replaced their labor and their military with foreigners. Nowadays it could happen way faster with all the faster and comparatively less expensive travel in today’s world.


17 posted on 02/25/2019 8:45:49 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Buckeye McFrog

In fact, to be blunt, the US today reminds me of Dr Zhivago, but without the love triangle.


18 posted on 02/25/2019 8:46:17 AM PST by cuban leaf
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19 posted on 02/25/2019 8:47:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SleeperCatcher

The late Dr. Francis Schaeffer’s “How Should We Then Live?” clearly chronicled our demise. And that book was published in 1976.


20 posted on 02/25/2019 8:47:24 AM PST by LouAvul (Socialism is the logical conclusion of liberalism. Anarchy is the logical conclusion of socialism.)
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