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Desegregation Plan: Eliminate All Gifted Programs in New York
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Posted on 08/26/2019 3:46:33 PM PDT by TigerClaws

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To: Zhang Fei

The gifted programs are BS. Beethoven and Mozart were gifted. The typical kids in these programs are brighter than average, but in no way gifted.


If your definition of ‘gifted’ is Beethoven, Mozart (or Einstein) then I guess you are right. But kids with IQs of say 130 are in a different league than those who average 100 and forget about the kids with IQs of 85 or thereabouts.

Low IQ kids are showered with services. In fact, by law, they are at the front of the line when it comes to public education. Their needs come first, and if average kids’ needs have to be shortchanged, so be it.

Gifted programs are considered a luxury by most school districts and they can be cut with no official consequences. While not gifted by your standard, they are outstanding and will, if encouraged, contribute to the world in many ways.

I’ve had the good fortune to teach a few of these kids over my career. They are a joy to teach because they nearly always want more. If they are sitting in a class of below average students they are forced to ignore what is going on around them while the teacher is busy trying to control behavior rather than actually teach.

I always tried to aim my lessons towards the brightest rather than the average. That way every kid got exposed to somewhat advanced material. That made it hard on the slower kids but how else do they hope to catch up?


21 posted on 08/26/2019 4:15:48 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: C19fan

> Next is when the Asian kids dominate the New York State Regents and AP tests those will be banned too. <

The tests won’t be banned. Instead scores will be adjusted up or down for the student’s “background“. They’ll call it “normalizing results”, or some such thing. Mark my words. It will happen.


22 posted on 08/26/2019 4:15:49 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: TigerClaws

That is the exact opposite of what should be happening.
Raise the bar high, if you want students to reach and make an effort. If there is no standard to accepted achievement, there is no achievement at all, only babysitting, brainwashing and bullying for daring to have an independent thought.


23 posted on 08/26/2019 4:24:45 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Zhang Fei

If you don’t track students you either are grievously slowing down the bright kids of grievously teaching over the head of the not-bright kids.


24 posted on 08/26/2019 4:28:51 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: boop

Yeah, I don’t get that, Asians in general, even Asian-Americans, are much more conservative than the Democrats and more conservative than other ethnic groups, even whites. And if you go to Japan, Korea or Mainland China you see that big time. It’s not a coincidence that John Yoo at Berkeley Law is a conservative, for example. It’s part of his underlying Korean heritage. Many Koreans are very conservative—remember that they have seen oppression and violence up close and personal, first with the Japanese occupation and then with the Communists. And in the LA riots they didn’t roll over to the rioters. They all armed up and defended their families and property. Don’t pick on a group of folks whose men have all been through compulsory military service.

I remember seeing a YouTube video once of an Asian girl protesting in a student government meeting at Berkeley, she was obviously first generation American but had drunk all the Koolaid about feminism, etc., and was just spewing out four-letter profanities all over the place.

I just remember thinking of how ashamed her family would be of her. And it probably dropped her a few dozen notches on the matchmakers’ desirable bride list. My guess is she got the ice treatment from all of her relatives when she went back home for vacation.


25 posted on 08/26/2019 4:34:03 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: TigerClaws

brazilian education professor paolo friere introduced the concept of critical pedagogy to the classroom with his book “pedagogy of the oppressed” (1968). basically it advocates all teachers teach all subjects from a critical theory, class based perspective.

from this, other educators introduced the concept of equity to teaching. equity means equality of outcome irrespective of economic background or other factors.


26 posted on 08/26/2019 4:41:40 PM PDT by SteveH (intentionally blank)
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To: boop
Why the hell do Asians vote for democrats?

Because Democrats support chain migration, and THE big issue for many Asians is getting their relatives over.

27 posted on 08/26/2019 4:50:47 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Zhang Fei

Gifted children do need more challenging work in an environment where they are allowed to succeed. That environment could be in regular classrooms if rules of conduct were enforced.


28 posted on 08/26/2019 4:51:29 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This Space For Rant)
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To: Zhang Fei

At some point, the left will go after private schools and homeschools as well, to eliminate the last escape hatches.


29 posted on 08/26/2019 4:51:44 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: boop
Why the hell do Asians vote for democrats?

It's not enough to be bright, one must appear to be enlightened.

30 posted on 08/26/2019 4:52:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This Space For Rant)
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[Gifted children do need more challenging work in an environment where they are allowed to succeed. That environment could be in regular classrooms if rules of conduct were enforced.]


Smart children need to be with other smart children. Dumb children need to be with other dumb children. Our problem is that universal tracking is politically unappealing. That’s why we have “gifted” programs. It’s basically tracking for the smartest kids. Meanwhile, the rest of the merely above average and average kids are stuck with the unruly morons. Idiocracy isn’t a science fiction movie about the future. It’s reality in the current public school system outside of the “gifted” programs.


31 posted on 08/26/2019 4:57:34 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: TigerClaws
Yeah. To a commie crud-brain like DumblASSio, DESEGREGATION is way more important than student achievement. So it's better to deprive the brainy strivers of an appropriate place for them to learn and just dump 'em in with the ghetto thugs who prevent any learning in any class they end up in. How is this fair to the brainy striver kids?
32 posted on 08/26/2019 5:12:25 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: boop

No doubt his Mensa wife came up with this idea.


33 posted on 08/26/2019 5:15:42 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: TigerClaws

I say eliminate all public schools and let the churches of these communities educate the kids!


34 posted on 08/26/2019 5:24:15 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: TigerClaws
Quotable quote:
"Teaching and learning are so intertwined that it is impossible to separate the two. . . . I don't think teaching takes place until learning occurs. . . ." - Sy Fliegel (formerly East Harlem High School)

35 posted on 08/26/2019 5:56:20 PM PDT by loveliberty2 (`)
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To: sphinx

He will destroy the gifted schools and that will cause the regular schools to rot further. It will not help them to gget the smart kids back in the dodo schools. They will get bored or do their own thing outside of class and still top the A and AB lists until that must be dealt with, too, by the egalitarians.


36 posted on 08/26/2019 5:59:08 PM PDT by arthurus (niksaz)
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To: TigerClaws

You will probably see the ‘airbnb’ equivalent of a school all over NY soon. Small private schools that meet daily and maybe once a week at the local museum.


37 posted on 08/26/2019 6:00:10 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: boop

Same with most Jews. Why vote for the party that wants Israel weakened or destroyed?

Why do blacks vote for the party bringing in illegal aliens to replace them on the job site?

Why do Democrats leave Democrat cities and states because of the high taxes and crimes, go to conservative areas, and then vote... for Democrats!

They’re stuck on stupid, that’s why.


38 posted on 08/27/2019 4:29:53 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 11th_VA

They won’t give any school that isn’t state-sanctioned by the thought police the greenlight to exist.


39 posted on 08/27/2019 4:30:26 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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