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Do California’s Blackouts Make Sense?
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 11, 2019 6:17 pm ET | Holman W. Jenkins

Posted on 10/12/2019 4:05:16 AM PDT by karpov

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To: exDemMom
But “environmental” regulations stopped proper line maintenance

We have a variant of the same problem in the DC area. We do love our trees and our leafy green neighborhoods. But at some point, the local utility does need to trim trees around power lines, or the inevitable will happen. Out in suburban lala land where the Starbucks addicts defend their cul de sacs like the French at Verdun, it is almost impossible to cut trees. The more upscale the suburb, the harder it gets. Every few years, we get a severe ice storm and major blackouts from crashing limbs. This, of course, is invariably held to be the utility's fault.

41 posted on 10/12/2019 6:08:19 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: karpov

whose fault is it when my neighbor fires up a generator and burns down the neighborhood? Eliminating a minor risk and creating a million


42 posted on 10/12/2019 6:17:41 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!me tking public being de)
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To: karpov

Public risk?

The public is the enemy that deserves the risk. The public is directly responsible for fires resulting from enviromental laws that encourage massive firees.

The electric company is concerned with controlling their oen risk perpetrated by the public which are the customers.

California is the proximate cause of the fires. The power company is the scape goat


43 posted on 10/12/2019 6:25:08 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Thommas
IMHO, the STATE is at fault for "over regulating" our woodlands.

My thought was to revive the CCC Camps. My dad and his brother both went to Montana. They sent the money home and worked their young butts off. Pretty much like being in the military.

44 posted on 10/12/2019 6:25:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: karpov; All

Interesting comments BUMP!


45 posted on 10/12/2019 6:27:30 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: karpov
...transferring the risk to homeowners and insurance markets.

What a concept!

46 posted on 10/12/2019 6:30:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fruser1

Why is northwest North Dakota all lit up??


47 posted on 10/12/2019 6:32:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MrEdd
Proper firebreaks = Nevada
48 posted on 10/12/2019 6:33:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TianaHighrider

I live in the country and it only took the SECOND power outage for me to realize that I needed a backup generator.

It’s not big enough to run the ELECTRIC range or oven; but it does handle everything else.


49 posted on 10/12/2019 6:35:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Just have 4-5 propane tanks available for the grill, and you’re good to go!


50 posted on 10/12/2019 6:37:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vaquero
We never ran out of gas

I have about 7 gas containers continuously filled. It only took once to run out before I said, "Ooops!"

(My best bet would be a generator that runs on propane, as I have a quite large tank of that for house heat primary - fireplace secondary.)

51 posted on 10/12/2019 6:41:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LukeL

Quit ‘trimming’ and FELL them!


52 posted on 10/12/2019 6:43:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sheana

No.
I would call the broad fields in Kansas and Nebraska maintained since tree stands separated by fields were laid out and required of homesteaders in the eighteen hundreds a heck of a firebreak.

Did you have some fantasy that someone from a long line of farmers would not know the history of the land and be able to bring it up on a forum?

Well, you failed. I do know.

The proper width of a fire break is (as I have repeatedly stated, and which you have completely ignored) determined by the normal maximum wind velocity. On the plains that is around seventy miles an hour, and in parts of California it is just as high.


53 posted on 10/12/2019 6:43:39 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: MrEdd

Did you have some fantasy that someone from a long line of farmers would not know the history of the land and be able to bring it up on a forum?

I live the fantasy of having a retired California firefighter who fought these types of fires for 34 years.


54 posted on 10/12/2019 6:52:16 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Vaquero
When the power was on we watched TV and had WiFi.

You can keep your wifi on all the time with a battery. I have several large AGM batteries which are pricey plus solar panels to keep them charged, but I can keep my small fridge cold and wifi and other electonics going indefinitely.

55 posted on 10/12/2019 6:56:07 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: sheana

And so you never even learned how firebreaks are made in other states.

Living in one area, you have assumed that the inadequate measures enforced in your area are the norm in other parts of the country which have just as severe wind and dryness as where you live and work, but only a fraction of the wide ranging fires and who get them put out with only a fraction of the personnel.

I don’t care how long you did the fighting job, that doesn’t change mathematics.


56 posted on 10/12/2019 6:58:28 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: sphinx

I live in Maryland, not so far from DC. When I drive around, I can’t help but notice the weirdly shaped trees under power lines. I wonder why they are not just cut down, instead of being trimmed in bizarre shapes. I frequently see crews trimming the trees.

In my neighborhood, the power lines are buried. I like that.


57 posted on 10/12/2019 7:05:51 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: karpov

Nope - it serves the purpose of forwarding the Globull Climate Change scam....
I love the fact that the electric car owners are “shocked...shocked I tell you” that a blip strands them.
Also hope the guy who died has a family that can sue their asses off.


58 posted on 10/12/2019 7:13:07 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: jonascord

***...can they see the Milky Way for the first time in their lives?***

How true! years ago my nephew brought a friend from Arlington TX, between Dallas and Ft Worth, for a visit.

He stood outside in the dark, here in the Ozarks and said...”I have never seen so many stars in all my life!”

I’ve been to California and Arlington. Too much light pollution.


59 posted on 10/12/2019 7:31:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: karpov

Illegal aliens have set fires but Kali wants more of them so they can illegally vote for the Democrat party.


60 posted on 10/12/2019 7:32:48 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!)
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