Posted on 04/19/2020 6:58:02 PM PDT by rintintin
Criticized for refusing to lock down, Sweden’s top health official says herd immunity is inevitable and took credit for the slowing of coronavirus numbers.
“According to our modelers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” Anders Tegnell, who led the charge to keep Sweden open, told local media. “Our models point to some time in May.”
Despite social distancing guidelines from the World Health Organization, Sweden has resisted lockdowns, instead keeping open schools, gyms, bars and restaurants and relying on citizens to caution themselves.
Tegnell’s comments echo thoughts about herd immunity, in which most of the population is infected with the assumption that those who survive will not be infected again, floated by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. But Johnson eventually folded to the advice of health officials and shut down the United Kingdom.
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I don’t disagree with what Sweden did, but their number of deaths per million are higher than in the US.
Very slightly. The difference might be due to the big number of people per nursing home in Sweden. Is shutting down the economy justified if the outcome is about the same?
The lockdowns in the United States started after a lot of the population was already infected so probably did nothing.
Recovery rates with this big are useless due to asymptomatic cases and those with mild symptoms who never report.
Sweden has ~15k confirmed cases and ~1500 deaths from CV.
It has a population of ~10M.
Herd immunity requires at least 60% get infected.
Sweden is no where near herd immunity.
Even if the number of actual cases is 100x confirmed cases.
And their economy is almost as equally fcuk as everyone else because they are part of the European and global supply chain/market.
The extra ~4k Swedish corpses vs death rate in Norway bought them ~10k customer facing retail jobs for ~6 more months this year.
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Big assumption. Especially at that stage of the game. We still don't know if it is a bioweapon.
Um...we ARE animals, when it comes to our vulnerability to infectious disease.
Human Be-ans decided, once the industrial revolution and ‘scientism’ came on, that we are somehow separate from Nature in general.
That was a big mistake.
We may have intellectual abilities that other animals don’t have, which can help us to try and figure out what is happening to us and find solutions to it.
But if we’re going to doubt BOTH Nature and Science, as many here seem to do, I guess we are screwed.
They’re big on euthanasia and abortion, so that’s some more insight into their attitudes towards the most vulnerable.
True, but humans are stupid panicky beings as a herd and you know it. At least as a group they are subject to stupidity and panic.
You know, if you need to “believe” in science than it’s more of a religion than a method.
Their strategy is to have more deaths initially but fewer deaths later. In the long run the number of deaths will be the same as long as their healthcare system is never overwhelmed, which so far it hasn’t been.
We have a vaccine for the flu and the mortality rate is .1%. The novel coronavirus was unknown at the beginning, highly infectious, no vaccine, and believed initially to have a 3% to 4% mortality rate. Scary stuff.
I can understand why we reacted the way we did, but now that we have more data, it is time to change course. CV is no where as fatal as we thought it was. And we know who is most vulnerable. Time to get back to work.
Well, I haven’t observed that, in the current situation - and I’m in a very congested area of PG County, just outside of DC - where, according to many Freepers, the population here are all stupid, emotionally reactive, and dangerous to be around.
I’ll make a tentative judgment when I first DO experience any kind of stupidity or ‘panic’.
I have a lot of faith in the goodness of human nature. Maintaining that faith has always served me very well. YMMV.
The gaping hole in their plan.
But their healthcare system wasn't overloaded, despite no effort to "flatten the curve" which is interesting. OTOH they are surrounded by countries that did shut down so that may have helped them.
I disagree. The number of deaths is fewer if those who get infected first are low risk groups. In Sweden, schools stayed open, so there will be fewer deaths.
from the WHO
He and the team he assembled certainly get an A+ for leadership and action-orientation.
I believe those who say that this will not be a “V” shaped dip. People are not going to want to travel, stay in hotels, go to casinos, go to huge concerts or sporting events, go on cruises, go to restaurants. It’s going to take several quarters to climb out of this hole. Maybe a couple of years.
The entire strategy for isolation is to flatten the curve not to lessen the number of deaths.
What the US and the rest of the WHO complying world is doing is stretching out the time span of the deaths caused by the disease to keep from overwhelming the health care system.
We will most likely have the same number of deaths per capita as Sweden.
But, this discounts the number of deaths generated by the isolation strategy itself.
We have already seen a jump in the number of suicides, domestic violence, and drug overdoses. What is to come we can easily guess. As bankruptcies mount, we can only expect these numbers to climb.
How long do you think it will take for the virus to go away?
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