Sweden claims coronavirus success after keeping country open, says herd immunity imminent

NY Daily News ^ | APR 19, 2020 | By KATE FELDMAN

[MHGinTN]

Well with all the military aged moose limb men they have invading their homeland, they certainly have the herd and its mentality is close to single digits.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

LOL...that’s a classic “Which of these things does not belong?”

[qam1]

From Left to Right

#1 Not Guilty
#2 The Most Not Guilty
#3 Guilty (Maybe a man)
#4 + #5 - Lose a little of the gut and we can let them off with a warning
#6 Not Guilty

[shanover]

I’m thinking Swedish bikini team!

Absolutely! When saving something,you want to save the best!

[House Atreides]

“I don’t disagree with what Sweden did, but their number of deaths per million are higher than in the US.”
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For a while, yes....going the distance, their deaths per million will likely be the same or lower. And their costs will be substantially less. Sadly, our political situation (e.g., election year, never Trumpers, crazed DemocRATS) wouldn’t allow us to take Sweden’s path.

[Yardstick]

That’s a good point. If in gaining herd immunity they mainly allow the stronger members of the herd to be infected (and gain immunity), then there will be fewer deaths along the way. And once they’ve gained herd immunity, those who remain uninfected will tend to be the most vulnerable, which is precisely what you want, and they will be shielded by the immunity of the others. So I agree Sweden might actually reduce the total number of deaths rather than just changing their distribution in time.

[DUMBGRUNT]

“They are also not as fat as we are. The Chinese Flu targets certain physiology.”

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[FreeReign]

Herd immunity requires at least 60% get infected. Sweden is no where near herd immunity.

Yet, their daily new cases number has leveled off over the last three weeks. What happened to the exponential growth predictions?

[Bayard]

Given that the entire country of Sweden is not suffering a medical apocalypse, and as mentioned by others, the recovery statistic is worthless.

No this response gets an failing grade. 22 Million unemployed and a great depression looming is going to cause far more death and social hardship in the coming years.

This response is a failure perpetrated by arrogant misuse of “science” modules and generated hysteria. Hindsight will judge those who insist on continued lock down as fools.

[Cold Heart]

WHO just said that there is no (or minimal)immunity from getting the virus. WHO is pushing a vaccine. WHO is really full of IT.

[taxcontrol]

There is no immunity provided by “herd” immunity. It is mearly a lack of exposure. Someone without immunity provided by recovery or vaccine is still vulnerable. And all it takes is an exposue from someone outside of the herd to put a vulnerable person at risk.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

How long for it to go away? Based on the 1918 pandemic, two years for the pandemic to end unless a vaccine shortens this. It will fade away slowly. The virus will experience “antigenic drift” and become less lethal; it may or may not disappear completely. (My layman’s take — I’m no expert)

Interesting paper on this in Volume 12, Number 1—January 2006 of Emerging Infectious Diseases.

1918 Influenza: the Mother of All Pandemics

by Jeffery K. Taubenberger

In 1918, the cause of human influenza and its links to avian and swine influenza were unknown. Despite clinical and epidemiologic similarities to influenza pandemics of 1889, 1847, and even earlier, many questioned whether such an explosively fatal disease could be influenza at all. That question did not begin to be resolved until the 1930s, when closely related influenza viruses (now known to be H1N1 viruses) were isolated, first from pigs and shortly thereafter from humans. Seroepidemiologic studies soon linked both of these viruses to the 1918 pandemic. Subsequent research indicates that descendants of the 1918 virus still persists enzootically in pigs. They probably also circulated continuously in humans, undergoing gradual antigenic drift and causing annual epidemics, until the 1950s. With the appearance of a new H2N2 pandemic strain in 1957 ("Asian flu"), the direct H1N1 viral descendants of the 1918 pandemic strain disappeared from human circulation entirely, although the related lineage persisted enzootically in pigs. But in 1977, human H1N1 viruses suddenly "reemerged" from a laboratory freezer. They continue to circulate endemically and epidemically.

Thus in 2006, 2 major descendant lineages of the 1918 H1N1 virus, as well as 2 additional reassortant lineages, persist naturally: a human epidemic/endemic H1N1 lineage, a porcine enzootic H1N1 lineage (so-called classic swine flu), and the reassorted human H3N2 virus lineage, which like the human H1N1 virus, has led to a porcine H3N2 lineage.

None of these viral descendants, however, approaches the pathogenicity of the 1918 parent virus. Apparently, the porcine H1N1 and H3N2 lineages uncommonly infect humans, and the human H1N1 and H3N2 lineages have both been associated with substantially lower rates of illness and death than the virus of 1918. In fact, current H1N1 death rates are even lower than those for H3N2 lineage strains (prevalent from 1968 until the present). H1N1 viruses descended from the 1918 strain, as well as H3N2 viruses, have now been cocirculating worldwide for 29 years and show little evidence of imminent extinction.

Dr. Jeffery Taubenberger and Dr. Ann Reid reviewing a genetic sequence from the 1918 virus. They are credited with sequencing the genome of the 1918 virus

[exDemMom]

I’d love to know how this herd immunity is supposed to work.

We keep seeing these models (based on NO scientific evidence) that Covid-19 is the most contagious virus known, orders of magnitude more contagious than the most contagious virus previously known (which is measles). But we also see estimates that herd immunity would be achieved when 60% of the population is immune, indicating that the virus is far less contagious than those models portray. So which is it, the most contagious virus ever known, or a virus that’s only about as contagious as other coronaviruses that cause the common cold?

No country is even close to achieving herd immunity. And if another article posted tonight is accurate, even having an antibody response is not necessarily protective. In that case, there is no herd immunity.

[Newtoidaho]

Kudos to their leaders who didn’t panic about that BS model predicting millions of deaths.

US politicians on the other hand, full on panic and hysteria. Now that the models have been revised downward 97% they haven’t changed their nazilike response one bit.

[lightman]

People are not going to want to travel, stay in hotels, go to casinos, go to huge concerts or sporting events, go on cruises, go to restaurants. It’s going to take several quarters to climb out of this hole. Maybe a couple of years.

More likely a couple of generations.

[zipper]

We have already seen a jump in the number of suicides, domestic violence, and drug overdoses. What is to come we can easily guess. As bankruptcies mount, we can only expect these numbers to climb.

At least for now, those are likely more than offset by a drop in fatal traffiic accidents. And the drug dealers are having a hard time spreading their poison right now, including the cartels, so I suspect illegal drug use is dropping too. It's probably too early for national stats on suicides, but sure, I'd expect them to climb.

The study, among many details, found that Seattle saw a drop of 100% in fatal accidents, Massachusetts reported a 75% drop in crashes, accidents dropped 51% in Los Angeles and crashes in New York City fell 33% near the beginning of March.

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State-Specific Costs of Motor Vehicle Crash Deaths

[zipper]

Kudos to their leaders who didn’t panic about that BS model predicting millions of deaths.

"That BS model" of 1.7-2.2 million was for no actions taken, not even social distancing. You fell for the media hype.

The current model (with full social distancing) calls for just over 60k by Aug 4th, revised down from 93,500 at one time weeks ago.

[Tammy8]

The term “herd immunity” has been around since around the 1900s. It became in common use in the medical community in the 1970s. My aunt was a nurse and explained to me how it worked in the 70s. She was explaining how vaccines worked for small pox, polio, etc.

[Newtoidaho]

Someone fell for the hype, it wasn’t me. That asinine initial model was horseshit designed to create panic and hysteria. Seems to have worked on you.

[Pontiac]

Traffic volume is way down. It would be interesting to see the stats from Bridge and Toll Roads.

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